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Blue Angels' first female pilot takes flight
CBS ^ | April 10, 2015

Posted on 04/11/2015 3:59:18 AM PDT by don-o

When military aviation buffs pack into the Marine Corps Beaufort Air Show in South Carolina, they'll be wowed by the Navy's Blue Angels. But a new kind of history will also take flight in the team: a woman in the cockpit. U.S. Marine Corps Capt. Katie Higgins is the first female pilot in the team's 69-year history. Michelle Miller took to the sky to see how Higgins got her wings.

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To: Born to Conserve

Spouting off as if you have proof when you clearly don’t is a tactic of the mentally weak.


121 posted on 04/11/2015 5:07:03 PM PDT by Half Vast Conspiracy (PS I live north of San Diego. Come & get me.)
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To: Gay State Conservative; DoodleDawg

What combat leader would not want to replace his man warriors with a shorter, lighter, weaker, sicklier, less aggressive, slower moving, more terrain limited, reduced distance traveling, hygienically vulnerable, smaller weight carrying, more prone to injury, version?


122 posted on 04/11/2015 5:09:22 PM PDT by ansel12 (Palin--Mr President, the only thing that stops a bad guy with a nuke is a good guy with a nuke.)
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To: Mark17
Not to be a stickler for details, but Fat Albert is a C-5 Galaxy...

Sticker or not, the C-130 which flies support for the Blue Angels, NAVY flight demonstration team is "named" Fat Albert". It is not a designation for a group of aircraft, but it's OK if you Air Force types are jealous of a superior group of NAVY pilots and equipment!!!

Marines are part of the US Navy!


123 posted on 04/11/2015 5:10:34 PM PDT by WVKayaker (Impeachment is the Constitution's answer for a derelict, incompetent president! -Sarah Palin 7/26/14)
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To: WVKayaker
but it's OK if you Air Force types are jealous of a superior group of NAVY pilots and equipment!!!

Ha. Not a chance. The Thunderbirds use a C-130 also, but I don't know what they call it. The last time I talked to the C-130 pilot, their call sign was Thunderbird 14. I always had the best view of the show, from the cat walk of the tower. 😄👌😏😀😃😆

124 posted on 04/11/2015 5:29:25 PM PDT by Mark17 (Beyond the sunset, O blissful morning, when with our Savior, Heaven is begun. Earth's toiling ended)
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To: Mark17
but it's OK if you Air Force types are jealous of a superior group of NAVY pilots and equipment!!! -WVK

Ha. Not a chance. -Mark

Yeah, I know how good the AF guys are at landing on aircraft carriers...


125 posted on 04/11/2015 6:20:41 PM PDT by WVKayaker (Impeachment is the Constitution's answer for a derelict, incompetent president! -Sarah Palin 7/26/14)
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To: Wiser now
My husband writes: A flight demonstration team such as the Blue Angels fly, depending on the position of the diamond formation, with full trim out of the formation. That is the left wingman flies the entire flight with full left trim and perhaps full down trim - so that if the pilot lets go of the control stick, the plane will abruptly roll to the left and downward away from the formation. Likewise the right wing would roll down and to the right. The slot pilot - the one in the back, trims full down,so that the plane will dive away from the formation. That is an extreme amount of pressure (that is force) on a single arm for the entire flight. Trim means that you are holding against the force of wind pressure on the control surface. If you are out of “trim” the pilot has to hold against the wind forces on the control surfaces for as long as the control is out of trim.

Thanks to you and him for that - much appreciated!
126 posted on 04/11/2015 6:37:52 PM PDT by tanknetter
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To: WVKayaker
Marines are part of the US Navy!

Part of the Department of the Navy (DON), the Men's Department.

127 posted on 04/11/2015 6:47:35 PM PDT by xone
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To: WVKayaker
I would really like to see a Globemaster 11 land on s carrier, 😄😀 but I think the only way they could ever get it off the carrier, would be to push it over the side. I don't know if they could put JATO tanks on it.
128 posted on 04/11/2015 6:51:34 PM PDT by Mark17 (Beyond the sunset, O blissful morning, when with our Savior, Heaven is begun. Earth's toiling ended)
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To: WVKayaker

BTW, say happy birthday to someone.


129 posted on 04/11/2015 6:52:28 PM PDT by Mark17 (Beyond the sunset, O blissful morning, when with our Savior, Heaven is begun. Earth's toiling ended)
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To: Sherman Logan

>>>”On looking at it again, the dominance of men in chess may very well illustrate actual mental differences between the sexes. I suspect it’s an example of the way men are much more diverse in mental characteristics than women.

While men and women are equal in average IQ, far more men are found on each end of the bell curve. Many more geniuses, and many more morons. The female IQ bell curve is taller and thinner.>
“<<<

Obviously, there are pure biological, physiological, and, as a rule, physical strength differences between men and women.

That said, women, traditionally, have been known to be able to endure physical pain more than men. For example, childbirth; being in labor for at time hours, without medication that we nowadays use.

However, in the so-called ‘mental capability’. It is not necessarily gender specific. It’s also related to the dominance and use of “left-brain, right-brain”, both in men and women. That’s one theory, which is viewed as quite valid by many psychologists.

In terms of “autism spectrum”, which you cited elsewhere in this thread, it is neither purely genetic nor gender-specific. Clinical psychologists are still unsure of what causes it, and why exactly there have been more men *reported & diagnosed* as autistic than females. It’s work in progress still, and, in recent yrs, there have been more cases of females reported and diagnosed as autistic.

The other factors affecting differences between men & women are: interest, and socialization (starting with one’s parents at home), then schooling, social environment (including the influence of one’s friends & even associates later in life).

Additionally, IQ tests, typically, assess (provide *an indication of*) a person’s ability (capability & skills) in limited ways, heavily dependent on *external factors* (socialization/environment/schooling). Usually, IQ tests assess spatial ability, verbal reasoning, numerical ability, and *some* variants of *cognitive ability* such as critical & lateral thinking.

That’s a main reason (organisational, industrial & even clinical psychologists on occasions) in the recent decade tend to increasingly administer “competency-based assessments” rather than rely on traditional IQ tests. The former actually evaluates *skill* and *capability*, identifying what can be developed, in terms of *skills* (provided there is interest).

In career choices, capability (defined as something you’re predisposed towards at birth) and skill (defined as something you have had the opportunity & interest to develop over time) are not only two separate things, but often complementary, even in being able to win in a chess championship against an opposite gender.

In conclusion, apart from obvious & clear biological, physiological and physical strength differences between men and women, gender-specific capability and skills, and contributing factors involve too many variables and still, clinically, work in progress.


130 posted on 04/11/2015 7:30:10 PM PDT by odds
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To: hoagy62

Not Guilty!


131 posted on 04/11/2015 7:39:38 PM PDT by cqnc (Don't Blame ME, I voted for the American!)
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To: hoagy62

Not Guilty!


132 posted on 04/11/2015 7:41:07 PM PDT by cqnc (Don't Blame ME, I voted for the American!)
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To: odds

Agreed.

I’m perfectly willing to concede the possibility that women have the potential to compete evenly on the chessboard. And in other traditionally male-dominated fields where physical factors don’t rule them out.

Recently watched a movie where the band of questers had the oblogatory female along. Since they apparently were able to recognize that having her be a swordsman was not practical, she was an archer.

The writers apparently not realizing that archery, at least in combat, is even more dependent on upper body strength than hand to hand combat. A male archer can pull a much heavier bow, and therefore shoot much farther and harder.

Some sex differences are just what they are.


133 posted on 04/11/2015 7:41:29 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Lazamataz

Or should that be. “I will be your sammich.”

If you’re going to be anyway, you might as well volunteer.


134 posted on 04/11/2015 7:42:52 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: ansel12

Most of which characteristics are utterly irrelevant to flying a fighter.


135 posted on 04/11/2015 7:44:05 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan

It wasn’t intended to to be about flying a fighter, so your post is totally irrelevant to mine.


136 posted on 04/11/2015 7:52:14 PM PDT by ansel12 (Palin--Mr President, the only thing that stops a bad guy with a nuke is a good guy with a nuke.)
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To: wintertime

Touchy! Touchy! Aren’t you?

Sick and tired people who don’t have an intelligible point but want to shoot off their damned mouths anyway because something someone said pissed them off and they are hell bent on defending their idiocy.

You could drop acting the ass and address what I said, now.


137 posted on 04/12/2015 5:36:53 AM PDT by TalBlack (Evil doesn't have a day job...)
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To: tanknetter

“With all due respect to your husband, would you mind asking him how a plane with fly-by-wire flight controls needs to be “wrestled” with by the human pilot and not the computer? “

Ask the pilot of the damaged spy plane who landed it on a Chinese controlled field. It took every ounce of his strength and endurance to get the plane on the ground.


138 posted on 04/12/2015 5:42:15 AM PDT by TalBlack (Evil doesn't have a day job...)
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To: TalBlack
Ask the pilot of the damaged spy plane who landed it on a Chinese controlled field. It took every ounce of his strength and endurance to get the plane on the ground.

That was an EP-3 Orion, which was based on the 1950's-era Lockheed Electra airliner. Really old flight-control tech. Rods and cables, possibly with some hydraulic boost.

Modern jet fighters like the F/A-18, F-16, F-22, F-35, etc employ "fly-by-wire" technology. The pilot no longer provides direct input to the flight controls (rods and cables) but rather to the aircraft's computer, which manipulates the flight controls via servos and hydraulics.

This is supposed to eliminate (or at least significantly reduce) the need for the pilot to "wrestle" with the aircraft. The pilot tells the computer where to point the aircraft and then the computer and the electro-mechanical mechanisms do all the wrestling.

The issue that arises is when the aircraft is pulling so many Gs that the pilot's hands are effectively pinned into position. This is what Wiser Nows husband was saying, I think.
139 posted on 04/12/2015 7:29:57 AM PDT by tanknetter
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To: tanknetter
Yes, I get that. My understanding is that women may be physically weaker then men, but also tolerate G forces much better, partly because they tend to be smaller as well.

Heinlein said that in his novel "Starship Troopers". I went looking at actual research, and women had been doing much worse than men at enduring high g's, until they got a special G suit optimized for women, at which point they started equaling men. If, even with the special suit, they EXCEEDED men, I'm sure we would have heard about it.

140 posted on 04/12/2015 8:06:48 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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