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South Carolina police shooting defense: What the video doesn't show
la times ^ | 4-8-2015 | RICHARD WINTON

Posted on 04/08/2015 1:06:17 PM PDT by Citizen Zed

The video appears to be damning: a white police officer fatally shooting a black man in the back as he ran away.

The shooting of Walter Scott by North Charleston, S.C., police Officer Thomas Stager has generated national outrage. Stager has been fired and charged with murder.

Legal and police tactics experts said the video would be powerful evidence in the criminal case. But they say it still leaves Stager’s defense with options.

One likely defense focus will be what is not on the video. The interaction between Scott and Stager before the shooting is not seen, nor is the traffic stop that began the incident. Defense attorneys will probably push on this, the experts said, telling jurors that the video doesn’t tell the whole story.

“What was the conversation and interaction between the officer and the subject?” said retired Los Angeles police Capt. Greg Meyer. “Why did the subject run away?”

(Excerpt) Read more at touch.latimes.com ...


TOPICS: Chit/Chat
KEYWORDS: 58yearoldman; copshooting; donutwatch; leo; oldman; triggerhappy; triggerhappycops
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To: Citizen Zed
“What was the conversation and interaction between the officer and the subject?” said retired Los Angeles police Capt. Greg Meyer. “Why did the subject run away?”

I realize that the good Captain's "subject" comment is based on law enforcement terminology (as in "subject of investigation" and not "subject of the Crown") but it's still a rather cringe-inducing time to use it.
41 posted on 04/08/2015 1:21:25 PM PDT by Robert Teesdale (III% | 4GW)
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To: Citizen Zed

I sat through the entire Rodney King Simi Valley trial. The jury had seen video that portrayed a portion of the incident, but not the whole incident. Once they saw the rest of the video, they voted not to convict. Not necessarily on point, but the parallels about the media selling the public a story that left out many facts, and the public being quick to rush to judgment have some redolence here.

Funny, though, that here the LA Times is urging taking the time to get it right, whereas the King case was actually the capper of their ten year long campaign against the LAPD and they formed a media lynch mob before the ink on the first edition was dry.


42 posted on 04/08/2015 1:22:17 PM PDT by ArmstedFragg (Hoaxey Dopey Changey)
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To: ansel12
If one of our troops shot an ISIS member like this they would go to jail.Here's what I responded to..and only that!

I've not even watched the video...

43 posted on 04/08/2015 1:22:23 PM PDT by Osage Orange (I have strong feelings about gun control. If there's a gun around, I want to be controlling it.)
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To: driftdiver

Well, everyone who is just getting a ticket for expired plates should stop when the officer says, “Stop”. Or, should everyone be allowed to run and arm themselves? Would that make it a “fair fight” in your opinion?


44 posted on 04/08/2015 1:22:39 PM PDT by Dutchboy88
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To: Osage Orange
Ummmm....thru out the years and wars. Enemies retreating were shot at..and killed.

True but completely irrelevant. Cops are not soldiers and we are not at war with the citizenry of the United States. Shooting unarmed citizens w/o due process is murder. The day that ceases to be the case is the day I book a one way flight to New Zealand.
45 posted on 04/08/2015 1:23:12 PM PDT by NRx (An unrepentant champion of the old order and determined foe of damnable Whiggery in all its forms.)
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To: dware

“You DON’T shoot someone in the back. ESPECIALLY someone who is running AWAY.”

Even if they are toting an AK-47 and running for cover?
Or how about running to a car to get away? There are
reasons to shoot someone in the back.


46 posted on 04/08/2015 1:23:20 PM PDT by Slambat
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To: dinodino

Well, then, let’s execute the cop and put you out on the streets...I like that.


47 posted on 04/08/2015 1:23:26 PM PDT by Dutchboy88
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To: envisio

Agreed!!!!!!!!!


48 posted on 04/08/2015 1:23:31 PM PDT by Osage Orange (I have strong feelings about gun control. If there's a gun around, I want to be controlling it.)
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To: Dutchboy88

Then you should strive to learn more about the topics, this one for instance.


49 posted on 04/08/2015 1:23:50 PM PDT by ansel12 (Palin--Mr President, the only thing that stops a bad guy with a nuke is a good guy with a nuke.)
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To: envisio

Okay. Change that to “running away”. If someone is trying to kill somebody and I come up behind him, well...


50 posted on 04/08/2015 1:24:07 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer ("I want to be America's first, historical, male first lady." - Slick Willie)
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To: Westbrook
But even if you’ve just had an altercation with police if you’re running away unarmed, shooting you in the back is a bloody crime.

Yes it is. And if the officer knew him to be unarmed, why didn't the lazy SOB chase the suspect? It's not like the guy was running that fast or would have had the stamina to get too far.

51 posted on 04/08/2015 1:24:36 PM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (Those too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber.)
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To: NRx
Once again...here's what I responded to..

If one of our troops shot an ISIS member like this they would go to jail.

Ok?

52 posted on 04/08/2015 1:24:55 PM PDT by Osage Orange (I have strong feelings about gun control. If there's a gun around, I want to be controlling it.)
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To: ansel12

Perhaps I already know more than you about the topics we have previously discussed.


53 posted on 04/08/2015 1:25:10 PM PDT by Dutchboy88
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To: Osage Orange; driftdiver

I think that driftdiver would say that you ignored the point of his post.

“”Once he’s running away what does it matter? He wasn’t armed and he wasn’t endangering anyone at that time.””


54 posted on 04/08/2015 1:25:50 PM PDT by ansel12 (Palin--Mr President, the only thing that stops a bad guy with a nuke is a good guy with a nuke.)
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To: Osage Orange

ummm how about right now?

A military officer is in jail today for shooting two known enemy combatants who attacked him.


55 posted on 04/08/2015 1:26:00 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: NRx

I might move to Z before that happens.............


56 posted on 04/08/2015 1:26:01 PM PDT by Osage Orange (I have strong feelings about gun control. If there's a gun around, I want to be controlling it.)
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To: envisio

I seriously doubt any of those scenarios are true or we would have heard about it. We need to keep one foot firmly planted in the real world. I’m not saying the guy is guilty. Only a jury can do that. But I will say the evidence is pretty bad. And yes there are bad and corrupt cops.


57 posted on 04/08/2015 1:26:18 PM PDT by NRx (An unrepentant champion of the old order and determined foe of damnable Whiggery in all its forms.)
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To: Dutchboy88

What does executing the cop for murder have to do with putting me out of my house? You sound like you have a screw loose.


58 posted on 04/08/2015 1:26:46 PM PDT by dinodino
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To: Osage Orange

Until the JAGS started throwing the book at soldiers and Marines who have done less than this.


59 posted on 04/08/2015 1:26:53 PM PDT by miliantnutcase
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To: Dutchboy88

Obviously not, you are showing ignorance on this topic for instance.


60 posted on 04/08/2015 1:26:57 PM PDT by ansel12 (Palin--Mr President, the only thing that stops a bad guy with a nuke is a good guy with a nuke.)
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