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To: Sherman Logan

I don’t think for a minute you are lying and a few years ago I would have been right with you.

Unfortunately I do not have all of the resources that my wife and children used at my finger tips. We did develop an extensive library on the subject and I would even post some of my children’s essay’s on the subject but in my experience it will not change your mind so to commit the hours it would take me to do so would be in vain. The most interesting part of their research came from talking to about 6-7 of the “old timer” locals and the literature they either provided or pointed them too.

Funny thing here is that I was born a “JayHawker” very near Douglas County, Kansas. I was raised with the teaching that the mean southern slave owning race hating bigots killed alot of people in Lawrence. To hear anything different was foreign to my doctrine. I was skeptical to say the least when my children began to study this subject and tell me there was more to the story.

I will allow you that not every single account from each side is going to be 100% accurate or 100% false. I do understand the nature of man, the nature and lust for power and the results that come when the victors........

This guy said it better;

“Patrick Ronayne Cleburne “Every man should endeavor to understand the meaning of subjugation before it is too late... It means the history of this heroic struggle will be written by the enemy; that our youth will be trained by Northern schoolteachers; will learn from Northern school books their version of the war; will be impressed by the influences of history and education to regard our gallant dead as traitors, and our maimed veterans as fit objects for derision... It is said slavery is all we are fighting for, and if we give it up we give up all. Even if this were true, which we deny, slavery is not all our enemies are fighting for. It is merely the pretense to establish sectional superiority and a more centralized form of government, and to deprive us of our rights and liberties.”

-— Maj. General Patrick R. Cleburne, CSA, January 1864, writing on what would happen if the Confederacy were to be defeated.


71 posted on 03/28/2015 8:37:27 AM PDT by Romans Nine
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To: Romans Nine

Uhh, the mean slave owning race hating bigots DID kill a lot of people in Lawrence.

164 civilians, versus 9 in Osceola.

Recollections of old-timers are notoriously inaccurate. It is human nature to over time gradually remember things in a way that makes you look better and your enemies look worse. Which is why good historians lean more to contemporary documents. I am no doubt as guilty of this as anyone else.

I don’t doubt that you and your children sincerely believe what you do. I just doubt that it’s really what happened.

BTW, I’m the product of a mixed marriage.

Mom was from MO and Dad from KS. :)


72 posted on 03/28/2015 8:44:33 AM PDT by Sherman Logan (>)
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To: Romans Nine

There were plenty of despicable characters on both sides of the Border War.

http://www.historynet.com/americas-civil-war-missouri-and-kansas.htm


74 posted on 03/28/2015 8:54:07 AM PDT by Sherman Logan (>)
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