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This Is Why the Navy Can't Have Nice Railguns
motherboard ^ | 2-9-15 | Ben Richmond

Posted on 03/01/2015 7:09:14 AM PST by TurboZamboni

​The US Navy has been wowing people with electromagnetic railguns, a long-range electrically-powered weapon, in concept and prototy​pe for years now. But the single big obstacle that keeps the railgun off boats remains the same as it ever was: ships can’t generate enough power to fire them. At the Naval Future Force Science and Technology Expo, Vice Adm. William Hilarides explaine​d that three problems with the railgun remain: room on ships, integrating the new weapons with the old weapons systems, and power—as in, not enough of it. The railgun doesn’t rely on chemical explosions like more conventional weapons. Instead, the projectile is housed in a electrically conductive metal armature, which connects two parallel, 30-foot rails. A huge 25-megawatt electric pulse is sent down the rails, creating the magnetic fields that shoot the armature and projectile out.

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TOPICS: Military/Veterans
KEYWORDS: banglist; energy; navy; railgun
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To: TurboZamboni

25 megawatts for about 1 second. Not sustained demand.


21 posted on 03/01/2015 7:56:46 AM PST by blackdog (There is no such thing as healing, only a balance between destructive and constructive forces.)
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To: Steely Tom

I just want to know if rods from the gods are any closer to deployment.


22 posted on 03/01/2015 7:58:23 AM PST by txhurl
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Marching to green!
Less than $6.4k to go!!

23 posted on 03/01/2015 8:01:55 AM PST by RedMDer (Keep Free Republic Alive with YOUR Donations!)
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To: TurboZamboni

Someone writing on the limits of power and energy for a railgun, should understand the difference between power and energy.

Full article below, no need to expcerpt this source:

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The US Navy has been wowing people with electromagnetic railguns, a long-range electrically-powered weapon, in concept and prototype for years now. But the single big obstacle that keeps the railgun off boats remains the same as it ever was: ships can’t generate enough power to fire them.

At the Naval Future Force Science and Technology Expo, Vice Adm. William Hilarides explained that three problems with the railgun remain: room on ships, integrating the new weapons with the old weapons systems, and power—as in, not enough of it.

The railgun doesn’t rely on chemical explosions like more conventional weapons. Instead, the projectile is housed in a electrically conductive metal armature, which connects two parallel, 30-foot rails. A huge 25-megawatt electric pulse is sent down the rails, creating the magnetic fields that shoot the armature and projectile out.

For the Navy, the upsides to an electromagnetic railgun are clear: its range of 100 miles is about double that of conventional high-velocity projectiles, and its projectiles, which go seven times the speed of sound, aren’t explosive.

Not only does this make them cheaper and easier to store and transport, but it also eliminates the threat of ordnances lying unexploded long after the war ends.

It takes a significant amount of power to fire something that far and fast, however.

It’s hard to conceptualize 25 megawatts, for me anyway. For some perspective, the Navy’s next generation Zumwalt-class destroyer, the 21st-century stealth battleship with electric engines, is powered by a 78-megawatt array of turbine generators. So, firing a rail gun once would take almost a third of the most advanced ship’s whole capacity. Most ships today don’t have more than 9 megawatts to spare, according to Popular Science.

For now the next generation ships are being designed with two 155mm Advanced Gun Systems, which are also all electric but fire conventional rockets and require 800kW of power—much less than the railgun but still more than most ships today can handle.

Hilarides said that, physics willing, one of those systems could be removed to make room for a railgun.

“We have begun real studies—as opposed to just a bunch of guys sitting around—real engineering studies are being done to make sure it’s possible,” he said. “It’s physics. Without taking something off, you’re not putting on a many ton system, so a gun would be a logical thing to take off and put the railgun in its place.”

The railgun is going to be tested on the USNS Millinocket next year. The first of three Zumwalt-class ships—railgun or no railgun—is slated to be delivered to the Navy next year, and the last in 2018. They’re estimated to cost $22 billion in total.


24 posted on 03/01/2015 8:02:17 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: mountainlion

Old capacitor technology as well. The author doesn’t appear to understand the issue.


25 posted on 03/01/2015 8:03:24 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: TurboZamboni

It is true that the gun using a tremendous amount of energy, IN A PULSE. Stun guns use a tremendous amount of energy, ALSO IN A PULSE.

There has long been an electronic component called ‘a capacitor’. In short, it is a ‘power on only quick charge short term battery’. No supplied power, no charge is kept.

(that is one of the reasons when you turneed off your computer, you wait so many seconds to turn it back on.)

There are designs for high-power capacitors, even in banks of them, to hold, release, and recharge to operating levels.

(On your digital cameras, capacitors are used to hold the charge for your flash bubl to be used.)

There is enough power generated on both vessels with nuke plants, and turbine plants, for this to work. NOW ... the shielding is the next question.


26 posted on 03/01/2015 8:05:23 AM PST by Terry L Smith
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To: TurboZamboni
$22bil for three goofy "Destroyers".

At nearly 15,000T they would be more accurately described as a Cruiser.

That for ships, while capable, offer nothing more than the current Aegis platform, and in many respects (Weapons Load), far less.

So many automated systems they'll measure them like fighters: How many hours at Sea?

We pay <$2bil for the Burke Destroyers...again, closer to a Cruiser at 10,000T and the Zumwalt will cost >$7bil per copy.

This because there was an edict from Washington to reduce crew sizes.

And it's far less capable than the current platform.

A legend waiting to be sunk.

27 posted on 03/01/2015 8:21:15 AM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: TurboZamboni

Lasers though......


28 posted on 03/01/2015 8:40:06 AM PST by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either satire or opinion. Or both.)
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To: 9thLife
Where is all the flame coming from, if exposives aren’t involved in propulsion?

Where does all the flame come from when a lightning strike starts a forest fire?

29 posted on 03/01/2015 9:46:14 AM PST by Tonytitan
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To: Erik Latranyi
Oh, all they need is a wind turbine or solar panel and they could generate 25mw easily!

Maybe they could install wool carpeting on the deck and have the crew shuffle around really really fast when they want to fire a round.

30 posted on 03/01/2015 9:54:30 AM PST by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: TurboZamboni

Here's me With Mine.






It's a little bulky, but it packs a whallop.

Too hard to conceal, though.

31 posted on 03/01/2015 12:31:36 PM PST by left that other site (You shall know the Truth, and The Truth Shall Set You Free.)
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To: Slambat

Looks like there is some work on stability of the projectile to be done yet.


32 posted on 03/01/2015 12:51:07 PM PST by doorgunner69
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To: sonofagun
I guess when the ship runs out of "Megawatts" it's dead in the water by this author's logic.

I read it in terms of "bandwidth." Allocating 1/3 of the ship's total power generation to firing the railgun means that it has to be diverted from powering something else.

33 posted on 03/01/2015 1:14:08 PM PST by RansomOttawa (tm)
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To: sonofagun

Mr. Scott would find the power.


34 posted on 03/01/2015 1:16:48 PM PST by rabidralph
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To: Star Traveler

35 posted on 03/01/2015 6:20:22 PM PST by Redcitizen
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To: Tai_Chung

“wave motion gun”

That was a cool clip. Found the movie.

Thanks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FuffO4n4mGA


36 posted on 03/03/2015 1:15:02 PM PST by Slambat
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To: 9thLife

“Where is all the flame coming from...”

I think there is some sacrificial skids or rails
that holds the projectile as it’s accelerated on
the guns rail or rails. I would assume there would
be a little friction going from 0 to mach 6 in just
a few feet.


37 posted on 03/03/2015 1:21:29 PM PST by Slambat
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To: Slambat

Amazon has the movie dubbed in English. It’s nice to watch without having to read the subtitles.


38 posted on 03/03/2015 8:21:03 PM PST by Tai_Chung
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