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Supreme Court rules in Yates v. United States
American Legislator ^ | 2-25-15 | Cara Sullivan

Posted on 02/25/2015 2:44:20 PM PST by ThethoughtsofGreg

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To: BuckeyeTexan

SCOTUS.


41 posted on 02/25/2015 4:02:46 PM PST by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: Lurking Libertarian

>>>The statute says it is a crime to destroy any “record, document or tangible object” with intent to obstruct an investigation. The four dissenters (who included Scalia and Thomas) said that a fish is a tangible object and that statutes should be read literally. The majority relied on the intent of Congress, which was to reach destruction of documents, computer hard drives and the like.

As noted earlier in the thread, this could have implications for the ACA case, King vs Burwell, in which the wording “all STATES “shall establish an exchange“ is the key provision. If a fish is not a tangible object, then can the feds establish a state exchange?


42 posted on 02/25/2015 4:04:56 PM PST by oincobx
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To: MrShoop

I am ordinarily with you and Scalia on this issue. But doggone it, this guy should not go to a federal prison just because Congress doesn’t read the laws it passes and gives no consideration to the pernicious consequences of their overbroad language.


43 posted on 02/25/2015 4:35:50 PM PST by colorado tanker
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To: 1010RD

Are Lois Lerner’s emails tangible objects? How about her hard drive? It would he nice if the IRS went to prison for 20 years. (Emails would be tangible objects once printed) Alternately, we could argue the zeroes and ones on the hard disk or backup tapes are tangible objects.


44 posted on 02/25/2015 4:45:03 PM PST by Auntie Dem (Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Terrorist lovers gotta go!)
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To: Red Badger

What is a picture of Sandra Fluke doing at this article?

Oh, I get it. She stinks just like the government’s argument in this case.


45 posted on 02/25/2015 5:11:27 PM PST by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: ThethoughtsofGreg

I am sorry, but if you are a fisherman by trade, you should know that keeping undersized fish is not permissible. Fish and Wildlife took this in a poor direction trying to overprosecute... and lost. Everyone loses.


46 posted on 02/25/2015 5:13:01 PM PST by Rodamala
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To: joe fonebone

#22: Reminds me of the old Dick Nixon, Pat Nixon and Mayor Walter Washington joke. Not very appropriate here but funny as hell for those who know it.

Hint: Slapping it on the bedpost.


47 posted on 02/25/2015 5:13:31 PM PST by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: colorado tanker

We agree on that! No way this guy should be in prison, and the prosecutors who did this should be punished.


48 posted on 02/25/2015 5:30:03 PM PST by Wayne07
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To: MrShoop
“Whoever knowingly alters, destroys, mutilates, conceals, covers up, falsifies, or makes a false entry in any record, document, or tangible object with the intent to impede, obstruct, or influence the investigation or proper administration of any matter within the jurisdiction of any department or agency of the United States or any case filed under title 11, or in relation to or contemplation of any such matter or case, shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 20 years, or both.”

Wow! That is incredibly broad.

It should be used to prosecute the Justice Department for redacting documents requested under the FOIA.

Not to mention to documents requested by Congress.

49 posted on 02/25/2015 5:50:11 PM PST by T Ruth (Mohammedanism shall be defeated.)
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To: ThethoughtsofGreg

If only he stuffed the fish in his socks.


50 posted on 02/25/2015 6:15:54 PM PST by NonValueAdded (Pointing out dereliction of duty is NOT fear mongering, especially in a panDEMic)
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To: Auntie Dem

Too many laws make everyone a law breaker. It’s nuts and dangerous.


51 posted on 02/25/2015 7:21:17 PM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: Lurking Libertarian; Perdogg; JDW11235; Clairity; Spacetrucker; Art in Idaho; GregNH; Salvation; ...

FReepmail me to subscribe to or unsubscribe from the SCOTUS ping list.

52 posted on 02/25/2015 10:39:28 PM PST by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind. ~Steve Earle)
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To: EDINVA

Actually, there have been a number of odd alignments in their decisions recently, last term included.


53 posted on 02/25/2015 11:01:37 PM PST by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind. ~Steve Earle)
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To: Verginius Rufus
It's “anti-document shredding statute.”

Think of it as the statute against document shredding. I couldn't tell if you were being facetious or not. :)

54 posted on 02/25/2015 11:06:49 PM PST by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind. ~Steve Earle)
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To: DiogenesLamp
Ever notice that there are usually at least four idiots in these Supreme Court Decisions? Sometimes there are five and more.

Ya, AND they are there for life or until they reach the age of 120 whichever comes first. And the population has no legal WAY TO GET RID OF THEM.

Does anyone else find it incredulous that no one in the District of Corruption represents "WE THE PEOPLE"? The King does whatever he wants and the Congress no longer listens to us, and the SCOTUS - well you know how I feel about Article III.
55 posted on 02/26/2015 6:12:29 AM PST by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: MrShoop

It would seem that the fish is documenting the crime and thus evidence in the very least. I haven’t read the dissenting opinion or anything by Scalia who I don’t always agree with or Thomas who I mostly agree with. Have you?


56 posted on 02/26/2015 6:46:57 AM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: DiogenesLamp

What were Scalia’s and Thomas’ opinions?


57 posted on 02/26/2015 6:47:19 AM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: 1010RD
What were Scalia’s and Thomas’ opinions?

They didn't write their own opinions, the just joined Kagan's dissent. Kagan said that, while this is a bad statute and Congress should fix it, the Court has to interpret the law as Congress wrote it, and a fish is a "tangible object."

58 posted on 02/26/2015 10:45:25 AM PST by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: ThethoughtsofGreg

The US Gov plays “The Wheel of Fish” from UHF


59 posted on 02/26/2015 12:18:51 PM PST by Zathras
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