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Who's the greatest quarterback of all time? Joe Montana or Tom Brady?
February 1, 2015

Posted on 02/01/2015 7:29:20 PM PST by MinorityRepublican

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To: billys kid

Uhhh, that’s Roger Staubach when he was in Vietnam.


201 posted on 02/02/2015 5:33:09 PM PST by MuttTheHoople (Ob)
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To: tahoeblue
I actually think it's more impressive to win a Super Bowl in a tight down-to-the-wire game. It brings out the mettle in a QB.

A lopsided Super Bowl victory where you slip into cruise control during the 3rd quarter and then surreptitiously chug champagne on the sidelines during the 4th doesn't impress me too much.

202 posted on 02/02/2015 5:34:54 PM PST by SamAdams76
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To: Impy

Gag...

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/12270500/rex-ryan-wife-now-dons-buffalo-bills-punter-jersey-tattoo


203 posted on 02/02/2015 8:14:50 PM PST by GOPsterinMA (I'm with Steve McQueen: I live my life for myself and answer to nobody.)
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To: GOPsterinMA

That b*tch has serious psychological problems, and so does his wife.


204 posted on 02/02/2015 9:03:29 PM PST by Impy (They pull a knife, you pull a gun. That's the CHICAGO WAY, and that's how you beat the rats!)
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To: Impy

Comete freaks. Degenerates,

I’ll bet serious coin she’s had a train run on her...and he watched.


205 posted on 02/02/2015 9:21:43 PM PST by GOPsterinMA (I'm with Steve McQueen: I live my life for myself and answer to nobody.)
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To: GOPsterinMA

Complete


206 posted on 02/02/2015 9:22:24 PM PST by GOPsterinMA (I'm with Steve McQueen: I live my life for myself and answer to nobody.)
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To: GOPsterinMA

Come on, it’s a choo choo train...


207 posted on 02/02/2015 9:50:28 PM PST by Impy (They pull a knife, you pull a gun. That's the CHICAGO WAY, and that's how you beat the rats!)
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To: zeestephen
Not sure what the 1972 Miami Dolphins being white has to do with anything. [If that matters to you, a comparison of the current world champions' team photo and the team they defeated to take the title will be very instructive.]

1972 Dolphins were slow, and small? You need to not look at slow motion photos on the highlights. They were plenty fast, and plenty strong.

At 6'4" 225 Brady is not particularly strong. Steve Spagnola showed everybody in the world how you beat Brady: pressure, pressure, pressure, because he cannot take a hit. If I were offered Rodgers, Roethlisberger or Brady, I would take them in that order. Brady has no ability whatsoever to escape or extend a play. Unless his line keeps him pristine, he's severely limited.

You are kidding nobody but yourself if you think Brady was ever faster than a premier linebacker. And again, if you offer me a 6'0" 225 linebacker delivering a forearm to the face -- which was perfectly legal before the proliferation of Brady-inspired sissy rules, and certainly so in 1950 -- Brady would go down like Linda Lovelace: ugly and often.

There's no question that the current crop of football players is bigger, faster, and stronger in their own positions. And there's no question sports technology is better than it was in previous years. Nevertheless, despite steroids and all the newest technology, there is no baseball player who has ever come close to doing what Babe Ruth did. And I believe Johnny Unitas, YA Tittle, or Otto Graham [just for example] would have no problem shining as elite quarterbacks in the modern NFL.

The problem with all these "he's the best ever" claims for Brady is that they're being made by people with very short memories. That is in the nature of sports hype, fan enthusiasm, and sports "journalism," which always has enormous biases for the latest players. But that doesn't make it so.

208 posted on 02/02/2015 11:09:10 PM PST by FredZarguna (O, Reason not the need.)
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To: MinorityRepublican
You do know that Bart Starr has five World Championships?
209 posted on 02/02/2015 11:10:46 PM PST by FredZarguna (O, Reason not the need.)
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To: FredZarguna
Re: “Not sure what the 1972 Miami Dolphins being white has to do with anything.”

In case you haven't noticed, the fastest players in the NFL have been almost 100% Black for the last 50 years.

The ‘72 Dolphins were 70% white.

The 2015 Patriots are 33% white.

Re: “Steve Spagnola showed everybody in the world how you beat Brady...”

Is that the same Spagnuolo who let Brady throw 3 TD’s, and only sacked him twice in 50 attempts, against the Ravens three weeks ago? Who won that game, by the way?

Re: “Brady cannot take a hit.”

He started 101 consecutive games before the ACL in 2008. He has started 96 consecutive games since 2009. He has started every Patriot playoff game since 2001.

Re: “if you think Brady was ever faster than a premier linebacker.”

I said Brady, in his youth, was faster than most 1955 linebackers.

Re: “he's the best ever”

I never said he was the best ever.

I said your claim that Brady could not play, or survive, in Otto Graham's era was absurd.

210 posted on 02/03/2015 1:10:16 AM PST by zeestephen
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To: zeestephen
In case you haven't noticed, the fastest players in the NFL have been almost 100% Black for the last 50 years.

Not even close to being true.

The starting 2014 Patriots are about 45% white. [You might be counting the practice team.]

Spag did not have much of a roster this year. Contrary to reputation, the Raven's defense was pretty awful. Yes, they didn't reach Brady. This doesn't invalidate anything I wrote; if they had he would have folded like a cheap card table. He always does.

When Spag got to Brady, how did Tom do in the Superbowl? Like I said: he can win if you keep him clean. He would not be a great quarterback in an era when defenders were actually allowed to do pass defense, and there was ONE offensive lineman holding per play [instead of all four of them, on every play, which is what's now allowed.]

211 posted on 02/03/2015 1:42:29 AM PST by FredZarguna (O, Reason not the need.)
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To: FredZarguna
Re: “Not even close to being true.”

I look forward to reading your list of white cornerbacks, safeties, wide receivers, and running backs who were faster than their Black contemporaries.

Has a white male Olympian won the 100m, 200m, or 400m in the last 50 years? Not that I recall, but maybe in the hurdles.

Re: “The starting 2014 Patriots are about 45% white.”

In their first game of the year, 18 of 53 active roster players were white, which is 34%.

“Starters” does not give you much useful information except for the QB and the defensive captain and maybe the center. Everyone else except elite players are in constant rotation, and Special Team players do not count as starters.

Re: “ Spag did not have much of a roster this year.”

I disagree.

The Raven defense was 6th in Total Points Allowed, 6th in Total Yards Allowed, and 8th in Passing Yards allowed.

The Patriots had no running game in 2014, and, in the AP All Pro voting, they had one offensive lineman who came in 6th at OT.

Re: “When Spag got to Brady, how did Tom do in the Superbowl?”

I can't recall which years he was DC for the Giants.

The Patriots lost one game to the Giants by 3, and a second game by 4.

In one of those games, a wide open Wes Welker dropped a 4Q first down pass that would have sealed the game on time remaining.

In both those games, Giant receivers made 4Q catches that were almost as amazing as the 4Q Seattle catch in 2015.

In spite of playing against elite defensive teams in each of those 3 games, Brady was leading, or threatening to take the lead, late in the 4Q in each one of them.

And in spite of being a delicate player who can't take a hit, he started each one of those games and took every snap.

212 posted on 02/03/2015 3:33:50 AM PST by zeestephen
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To: Impy

Exactly. :)


213 posted on 02/03/2015 4:34:57 AM PST by GOPsterinMA (I'm with Steve McQueen: I live my life for myself and answer to nobody.)
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To: Impy; KC_Lion; NFHale

Free agent infielder Wilson Betemit has received a 50-game suspension after testing positive for amphetamine usage.

“Wilson Betemit”: Activates my Tourette’s. After I read the above, I started meowing at my toaster and slamming a can of peeled whole tomatoes against my head.


214 posted on 02/03/2015 5:29:06 AM PST by GOPsterinMA (I'm with Steve McQueen: I live my life for myself and answer to nobody.)
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To: Rodney Dangerfield
One would be extremely naive to think he never bribed NFL officials if he tried to bribe a highly elected official.

One would be extremely naive to think that one thing has the slightest thing to do with the other. NFL officials are reviewed and graded on performance on a weekly basis, far more rigorously than any governor or congressman. And if an official did take a bribe from an owner, how specifically would he help a QB perform better? Montana is remembered for his accuracy and his poise, not for any bad calls made in his favor (like the tuck rule nonsense that gifted a Super Bowl appearance to Brady) - in fact, Montana and the 49ers were screwed out of a Super Bowl by two bad PI calls.

If you want to look for impropriety helping out a QB, Spygate is a fact. And we'll see how the air pressure thing plays out.
215 posted on 02/04/2015 10:50:17 PM PST by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: FredZarguna
"...how you beat Brady: pressure, pressure, pressure, because he cannot take a hit."

Get real. In Super Bowl XLIX he got pasted several times, and actually congratulated the linebackers for good hits. As he blasted them into 2nd-place Super Bowl irrelevance.

Dozens of great players who have competed with him (and, for the most part, lost despite their very best efforts) over a remarkable 15-year career (with only two game-affecting injuries in all that time...) state unequivocally that Tom Brady is one of the toughest SOB's they ever pounded into the turf.

Frankly, I'll trust their judgement on this one.

216 posted on 02/09/2015 9:55:29 PM PST by Gargantua ("...fee tine a mady..." ;^)
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To: AnotherUnixGeek
"...And we'll see how the air pressure thing plays out."

Yeah. You best stay riveted to that one. Just do your best to ignore that the League is hoping it just goes away, as badly as they screwed the pooch on their handling of it so far.

Let me know how that turns out. LMAO!!!

(P.S.) If the "Spygate" thing really helped Brady so much, or even at all..., why has his winning percentage not varied from his first year to this last one? Just a thought...

217 posted on 02/09/2015 9:55:29 PM PST by Gargantua ("...fee tine a mady..." ;^)
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To: GOPsterinMA
"After I read the above, I started meowing at my toaster and slamming a can of peeled whole tomatoes against my head."

Tell me you're going to post a vid of that to YouTube. Please. LOL It has been awhile since someone here made me belly-laugh. Thank you.

218 posted on 02/09/2015 9:55:37 PM PST by Gargantua ("...fee tine a mady..." ;^)
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To: Gargantua

You got it!


219 posted on 02/10/2015 5:09:30 AM PST by GOPsterinMA (I'm with Steve McQueen: I live my life for myself and answer to nobody.)
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