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To: spirited irish
Of course you do not know what I'm talking about since you have no idea of the ancient pagan antecedents underlying modern physics.

Your arrogance and presumption about my knowledge is tedious and sophomoric. As is the rest of your ridiculous screed, in which you slap together unrelated concepts like a high school student flipping through Wikipedia to support a night-before-due term paper.

If there is no Triune God of life and creation, then it logically follows that there is no source for life, consciousness, soul, spirit and will, or for human dignity, worth, liberty, and property. 

So logically, all of the religions and philosophy which do not accept the concept of the "Triune God" have no concept not support of any "source for life, consciousness, soul, spirit and will, or for human dignity, worth, liberty, and property"?

LOL - That's, what, 80 percent of the Earth's population, 5 billion people, with no concept or belief in those issues? What a narcissistic, unhinged farce of a contention. Your shamelessness is ugly.

"Six centuries before Jesus Christ, the Buddha already knew that if God does not exist, then the human self cannot exist either......Therefore, he deconstructed the Hindu idea of the soul. ...Your sense of self is an illusion. Reality is nonself (anatman). You don't exist. Liberation, the Buddha taught, is realizing the unreality of your existence." (The Book That Made Your World: How the Bible Created the Soul of Western Civilization, Vishal Mangalwadi, p. 6) This bears repeating: Reality is nonself...You don't exist.

FYI, you shouldn't read about Buddhism from a Bible tract - you're gonna get it wrong. And you're really gonna get Hinduism wrong. As, by the way, you have here, in both cases.

First of all, the "no self" Buddhist and Hindu doctrine of "non-existence" refers to your EGO, not what in the West is called your "soul." But odd course you know this, because you invoked "anatman" - instead of Atman, which is the Self. Except the ultimate Atman is considered to be God, who is beyond our petty identities and yet who comprises our very souls.

I recommend you read up on the Trika Shaivism of Abhinavagupta to try to comprehend these issues more clearly. Oh and that word, "Trika"? It means "three." As in "Triune God" a thousand years before your laughably "ancient pagan antecedents."

Returning to Heisenberg, along with his loss of faith in the Christian God in three Persons came the devastating loss of immortality after death, and loss of an ultimate source for life, intellect, will, conscience, meaning, and purpose.

Well you're not really returning to Heisenberg, because my reason for invoking him was his physics, not your mind-reading of his soul. But I will note your return to frothing absolutism by denying that same 5 billion purple even more human spiritual attributes, this time "immortality after death, and loss of an ultimate source for life, intellect, will, conscience, meaning, and purpose."

Amazing how the existence of all of those things and more exist in not only Trika Shaivism, but also all three main Buddhist paths, as well as virtually all Sanatan Dharma teachings (Hinduism for those who read about these things in Bible tracts).

Finally, these systems are all united on the concept that human history is cyclical, and that human beings tend to get into the same kind of trouble over and over again, and require nothing less than the incarnation of God to save them. Thus, they see similarities between such historical Avatars as supporting the concept of God protection, rather than, as is seen by Christians, to be done sort of argument as to who's right and who's wrong. For an interesting comparison along these lines, I recommend this web page: Specific similarities between the lives of Jesus and Krishna.

Thanks for playing. Have a nice day.

18 posted on 01/28/2015 1:58:14 PM PST by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: Talisker
My knowledge of nature religions such as Hinduism and Buddhism is not the result of Bible tracts but intense research and thorough study. The quote with respect to "non-self" for example is from "The Book That Made Your World: How the Bible Created the Soul of Western Civilization," by the highly respected Indian philosopher Vishal Mangalwadi. For your interest, many well-respected Indian philosophers and even ex-gurus have rejected Hinduism and Buddhism in favor of Jesus Christ and His Way of salvation. They would be among the first to tell you that you are going the wrong way.

Mangalwadi's Revelation Movement: http://www.revelationmovement.com/

Death of a Guru: The Story of Rabi Maharaj: http://wri.leaderu.com/pages/maharaj.html

19 posted on 01/28/2015 3:29:27 PM PST by spirited irish
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