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To: Talisker
"This philosophical insight is actually reduced to an experimentally reproduceable phenomenon in cases where the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle applies."

Spirited: No it doesn't. Heisenberg's "uncertainty" derives from losing his faith tied to a subsequent fall into the "here below" (naturalism) and a desperate but ultimately futile search for answers to the ultimate questions: where did life and the universe come from? What is man and what happens after he dies?

While Heisenberg's futile search took him deeper and deeper into mereological nihilism (see Quantum Field Theory and Mereological Nihilism/Atomism, physics forums)earlier apostates searched within the spirit realm:

"Skepticism based on science flowed into and reinforced the older stream of doubt stemming from historical and ethical considerations. Their joint effect may be traced in the fact that whilst the outstanding Cambridge men of the 1840's...all took Orders (three of them becoming great clerical headmasters and six bishops), the outstanding Cambridge intellectuals of the 1870's – the Trinity group centring on Henry Sidgwick and Henry Jackson and including Frederic Myers, G. W. and A. J. Balfour, Walter Leaf, Edmund Gurney, Arthur Verrall, F. W. Maitland, Henry Butcher and George Prothero – tended towards agnosticism or hesitant Deism." (The Founders of Psychical Research, Alan Gauld, p. 64)

In this same period a group of young dons from Trinity College, Cambridge, were also turning to psychic research as a substitute for their lost Evangelical faith:

" In February 1882, Podmore took Pease to a meeting at which this group founded the Society for Psychical Research . . . Among those who founded the SPR were Henry Sidgwick, Arthur Balfour – later a conservative Prime Minister – and his brother, Gerald." ((Norman and Jeanne MacKenzie,The Fabians, p. 18)

The progenitor of the socialist Fabian Society was the Cambridge University spiritist group, the Ghost Society, founded in 1851. The Ghost Society also spawned the Society for Psychical Research (SPR) founded in 1887:

"Council Members and Honorary Members of the SPR included a past Prime Minister (William Gladstone)...and a future Prime Minister (Arthur Balfour)...2 bishops; and Tennyson and Ruskin, two of the outstanding literary figures of the day (as well as) Lewis Carroll (and) a surprising number of titled persons." (Gauld, p. 140)

Having apostatized from their faith they conceptually murdered the God of Revelation, disowned their own souls, closed the way to Heaven and sought power here below. Thus the over-riding interest of the S.P.R. was not matter as with Heisenberg but the spirit realm. In search of power they conducted scientific research into phenomena such as mesmeric trance, telepathy, clairvoyance, apparitions, haunted houses, séances, and all aspects of mediumism, or contact with spirits, to determine the scientific laws of physical spiritualistic phenomena.

Secular historians of the nineteenth century agree that the dominant figures in the occult spiritist/socialist and philosophically materialist movements were mainly lapsed Evangelicals and Anglican clergymen preceded by Renaissance occultists. The onslaught of skepticism, atheism, agnosticism, higher Biblical criticism and dehistorization of the Genesis account together with moral relativism, Darwinism, quantum physics, and occult New Age spirituality assaulting the tattered foundations of our Republic were inspired by Protestant/Evangelical heresy together with an unhealthy interest in spiritism. Norman and Jeanne MacKenzie explain this strange anomaly:

"The lesson instilled by Evangelical parents had been given a secular form. Evolution or what (Sidney) Webb called Zeitgeist, had taken the place of Providence, yet what Webb described as 'blind social forces'...which went on inexorably working out social salvation' did not relieve men of their moral responsibility. Victorian religion had taught that a belief in God's purposes must be accompanied by an effort to discern and advance them. Socialists who substituted a secular religion for the faith of their youth felt the same compulsion." (Norman and Jeanne MacKenzie, The Fabians, 1977, p. 115-116)

15 posted on 01/27/2015 2:45:20 PM PST by spirited irish
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To: spirited irish
Heisenberg's "uncertainty" derives from losing his faith tied to a subsequent fall into the "here below" (naturalism) and a desperate but ultimately futile search for answers to the ultimate questions...

What on Earth are you talking about? The Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle is PHYSICS. It is a direct description of a specific phenomenon at the root of physical manifestation. It has nothing to do with faith. The FACT that you can either measure the speed or location, but not both, of an elementary particle is a fact - unless you are in possession of a scientific breakthrough you're not sharing with the rest of the world.

16 posted on 01/28/2015 8:07:13 AM PST by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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