Posted on 01/23/2015 12:52:58 AM PST by Berlin_Freeper
For more than a decade, Tom Brady has established himself as one of the greatest quarterbacks of all-time, one of the sport’s most popular and respected players. On Wednesday, Brady may have jeopardized his credibility for good.
Like Patriots coach Bill Belichick, Brady denied having anything to do with footballs being deflated in the AFC Championship Game and denied knowing it had occurred until the next day, but to the quarterback’s former peers, the NFL’s golden boy lost some of the luster he had earned in his 15-year career.
“I did not believe what Tom had to say,” former quarterback and ESPN analyst Mark Brunell said.
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Oh, you mean it didn't weigh two pounds less?
I think that's what a lot of people are thinking. And everyone used to hate Troy Aikman, now all of a sudden he's the football pressure guru.
Joe Theisman (no slouch he) didn't think it matters enough to make any difference at all.
Same here, after reading Tim Hasselback on Twitchy yesterday.
I'm going to go with Aikman on this. Nothing but respect for him.
That may be true. Certainly it has to be proven beyond doubt. IF, however, it is proven, I think the Pats should forfeit their playoff win AND, since it’s too late to stop the SB, forfeit that win if they in fact win the game.
I’ve got no problem with perspective. It’s a game.
If a league stakes its credibility on enforcing its rules, I for one would like to see them properly enforced.
-— Bottom line: We will never know if there was any intentional malicious manipulation of the air pressure. -—
Correct. My guess is that Brady submits them at what he thinks is the minimum pressure or just below regulation pressure. Then the bored equipment manager inflates them by feel to a below reg pressure. And then the refs don’t bother to check the pressure of all 24 balls with a gauge, but can’t admit to it. So its a failure all around to do due diligence with regard to a fairly trivial matter. No conspiracy necessary.
This not armed robbery - this is a parking violation.
If the violation is staying in the restaurant 10 minutes too long at 3 in the morning.
The theoretical fine listed in the rule book is $25,000 for particularly egregious alterations after the balls are checked in. In practice, it gets a reminder notice at worst for rather more significant alterations than this (putting the balls in front of a forced hot air blower on a cold game day - which would not only majorly change the PSI, but make the balls more flexible).
He should give back his 2009 Saints ring, then.
Actually, as a Viking fan I think all the Saints should give back their 2009 rings, but that's another story.
My calculations are (as I'm guessing you know) derived from the Ideal Gas Law. And pumping a football with air sure ain't an "ideal" situation!
I do think my calculation has some merit as a guideline. However, it wouldn't (and shouldn't) be accepted as hard proof. The only way to be sure here, from a legal standpoint, is to repeat the entire process under the same conditions as existed on that day.
Tom Brady was lying thru his teeth ... this is reminiscent of the bicyclist & Tour De France winner Lance Armstrong denying emphatically that he never did blood doping.
Given the cast of characters Belichick, McDaniels, Brady it's a given ball tampering occurred by someone on the Patriots sideline. The NFL will decide, probably today, as to what action they will take against the Patriots ... the Patriots will take a big hit. The powers that be in the NFL are embarrassed by this controversy ... particularly with the SB a little more than a week away.
-— I agree, I am in no way a professional athlete, but I can tell when a basketball is underinflated immediately, -—
Basketballs have to bounce to a recognizable height. Scott Zolak, former Pats QB, said that a 2psi difference is negligible. It’s 16% below reg inflation. He called this the football equivalent to a speeding ticket for going 15& over the speed limit.
I compare it to too much pine tar on a bat, or excessive curve on a hockey stick. This isn’t the Black Sox scandal.
I do think my calculation has some merit as a guideline.
To amuse yourself, assume a rigid ball at 1 atmosphere instantaneously raised to +13 PSI, and calculate how much the temperature change could be. That’s a lot of energy.
Here’s another viewpoint, where the viewer actually checked what he was talking about:
I liked Bettis as a player...but he’s not exactly cognizant.
https://www.facebook.com/PathfinderRegionalVocationalTechnicalHighSchool?fref=nf
Pressure drops from 13.5 to 11.9 in minutes... technical school experiment...
Brunel never came close to a Super Bowl.
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I guess that’s true if you don’t consider the AFC championship game close to a superbowl.
Interesting Jacksonville lost to the pats that year (before brady’s time).
I just keep coming back to the Ray Guy episode of Mythbusters where they repeatedly tested footballs filled with air, helium and other gasses. And could find no statistically significant difference in how far they went.
the balls were inflated in a room at 72 degrees to a psi of 12.5 and then taken out side, where the temp was about 49 then the psi would fall to about 10.5 psi.
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LOL. But only for the balls used by the patriots.
The balls the colts used did not experience this drop in PSI.
How does your appeal to science explain this?
It's my understanding that underinflated footballs are easier to catch, so it's not a distance thing but a ball control thing.
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