Lesbian sex, seduction and murder... by NUNS in a Catholic convent

Daily Mail ^ | 17th January 2014 | Jenny Stanton

[the scotsman]

'A sordid tale of lesbian sex, murder and seduction in a Catholic convent in 19th-century Rome has been discovered in a secret Vatican archive.

The Sant'Ambrogio scandal involves a beautiful young sister who convinced the nuns she was experiencing visions and visits from heaven - then made them engage in rampant sexual activity.

Herbert Wolf, a leading scholar of the Catholic Church, learned of the Sant'Ambrogio scandal when he became one of the first allowed into the archives of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith.

The naughty nun also entered into an erotic relationship with a theologian on the pretense he was possessed, and is thought to have murdered three other sisters.

But when a German princess fled the convent in disgust, a sex scandal hidden behind a habit for many years was unveiled.

Wolf, a professor of ecclesiastical his­tory at University of Muenster, Germany, made the discovery and has retold it in his book The Nuns of Sant'Ambrogio.

Written in German, the controversial never-told-before tale has been translated into English for the first time.'

[Mrs. Don-o]

I don't approve of scandal-mongering which targets LDS, either. Nor, as I mentioned, a slugfest involving exposes of the less presentable members of the Baptist, Calvinist, Reformed, Pentecosal and Housechurch communities.

Religious dialogue can yield beautiful results of appreciation, correction and compassion. Mudslinging is a sin.

[grey_whiskers]

I’m reminded of Boccacio’s Decameron (1353!) —
from the deaf gardener at the convent, to “putting the devil back into hell” to the Mother Superior caught with her lover’s underwear on her head by mistake...

[Mrs. Don-o]

Thank you.

[Lurker]

Mudslinging is a sin? Where is that in the Bible? And if it’s true it can’t be mud.

[Syncro]

What would Joseph call Mary?

His wife, with all that entails.

God told Joseph to marry Mary.

God on marriage:

The husband should fulfill his marital duty to his wife, and likewise the wife to her husband. The wife's body does not belong to her alone but also to her husband. [note: Mary and Joseph would not go against God's plan for marriage] In the same way, the husband's body does not belong to him alone but also to his wife. Do not deprive each other except by mutual consent and for a time, so that you may devote yourselves to prayer. Then come together again so that Satan will not tempt you because of your lack of self-control.--1 Corinthians 7:3-5

Joseph and Mary knew this and lived their lives as a normal married couple.

Later so called "Church Fathers" made the claims that Mary was conceived without sin, lived a sinless life, remained a perpetual virgin.

Those attributes of course could only be attributed to God, in this case Jesus. (Of course it was only His body that was conceived, He was "from the beginning.") Could NOT possibly be attributes of Mary.

[Elsie]

I wish the evangelical segment of Christendom was scandal free. I’m sure God wishes the same thing.

Luke 7:50

Jesus said to the woman, “Your faith has saved you; go in peace.”

[Elsie]

Let me be very clear: I don't like attacks on anybody's religion.

Thanx, Jim!

[Elsie]

Let me be very clear: I don't like attacks on anybody's religion.

Good!

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Orson Pratt proclaimed: "Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the 'whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent" (The Seer, p. 255).

 

 

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Questions put to Joseph Smith: "'Do you believe the Bible?' [Smith:]'If we do, we are the only people under heaven that does, for there are none of the religious sects of the day that do'. When asked 'Will everybody be damned, but Mormons'? [Smith replied] 'Yes, and a great portion of them, unless they repent, and work righteousness." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 119).

Joseph Smith: "for the teachers of religion of the different sects understood the same passages of scripture so differently as to destroy all confidence in settling the question by an appeal to the Bible" (from Pearl of Great Price 1:12). "What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p.270).

 

 

 

Brigham Young stated this repeatedly: "When the light came to me I saw that all the so-called Christian world was grovelling in darkness" (Journal of Discourses 5:73); "The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God" (Journal of Discourses 8:171); "With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world" (Journal of Discourses 8:199); "And who is there that acknowledges [God's] hand? ...You may wander east, west, north, and south, and you cannot find it in any church or government on the earth, except the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.24); "Should you ask why we differ from other Christians, as they are called, it is simply because they are not Christians as the New Testament defines Christianity" (Journal of Discourses 10:230).

 

 

 

 

Orson Pratt also said: "This great apostasy commenced about the close of the first century of the Christian era, and it has been waxing worse and worse from then until now" (Journal of Discourses , vol.18, p.44) and: "But as there has been no Christian Church on the earth for a great many centuries past, until the present century, the people have lost sight of the pattern that God has given according to which the Christian Church should be established, and they have denominated a great variety of people Christian Churches, because they profess to be ...But there has been a long apostasy, during which the nations have been cursed with apostate churches in great abundance" (Journal of Discourses , 18:172).

 

 

President John Taylor stated: "Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century." (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.167); "Where shall we look for the true order or authority of God? It cannot be found in any nation of Christendom." (Journal of Discourses , 10:127).

 

 

 

James Talmage said: "A self-suggesting interpretation of history indicates that there has been a great departure from the way of salvation as laid down by the Savior, a universal apostasy from the Church of Christ". (A Study of the Articles of Faith, p.182).

 

 

 

President Joseph Fielding Smith said: "Doctrines were corrupted, authority lost, and a false order of religion took the place of the gospel of Jesus Christ, just as it had been the case in former dispensations, and the people were left in spiritual darkness." (Doctrines of Salvation, p.266). "For hundreds of years the world was wrapped in a veil of spiritual darkness, until there was not one fundamental truth belonging to the place of salvation ...Joseph Smith declared that in the year 1820 the Lord revealed to him that all the 'Christian' churches were in error, teaching for commandments the doctrines of men" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 3, p.282).

 

 

 

More recent statements by apostle Bruce McConkie are also very clear: "Apostasy was universal...And this darkness still prevails except among those who have come to a knowledge of the restored gospel" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol 3, p.265); "Thus the signs of the times include the prevailing apostate darkness in the sects of Christendom and in the religious world in general" (The Millennial Messiah, p.403); "a perverted Christianity holds sway among the so-called Christians of apostate Christendom" (Mormon Doctrine, p.132); "virtually all the millions of apostate Christendom have abased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ whom they vainly suppose to be a spirit essence who is incorporeal uncreated, immaterial and three-in-one with the Father and Holy Spirit" (Mormon Doctrine, p.269); "Gnosticism is one of the great pagan philosophies which antedated Christ and the Christian Era and which was later commingled with pure Christianity to form the apostate religion that has prevailed in the world since the early days of that era." (Mormon Doctrine, p.316).

 

 

 

President George Q. Cannon said: "After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon" (Gospel Truth, p.324).

 

 

President Wilford Woodruff stated: "the Gospel of modern Christendom shuts up the Lord, and stops all communication with Him. I want nothing to do with such a Gospel, I would rather prefer the Gospel of the dark ages, so called" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 2, p.196).

[Elsie]

2 Timothy 2:23
Have nothing to do with stupid and senseless controversies; you know that they breed quarrels.

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2 Timothy 3:16-17
 16.  All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,
 17.  so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.

 

Titus 2:15
  These, then, are the things you should teach. Encourage and rebuke with all authority. Do not let anyone despise you.

 

 

[Elsie]

The fact that constant, day-in-and-day-out Catholic bashing is allowed is why I no longer financially support FR.

It sure doesn’t slow you any from USING FR to express your opinion!

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[Elsie]

Mudslinging is a sin.

So; false teaching gets a pass from you; calling it MUDSLINGING??

[Elsie]

His wife, with all that entails.

It usually 'entails' SEXUAL INTERCOURSE.

[BlueDragon]

Sorry, no thanks, but in doing my own research into the issue I found the story was not altogether 'hoax'.

I'm not going to even bother with the Forbes article.

I think I read that one before anyway.

[nanetteclaret]

You post all day, every day. Do you support FR?

I have supported FR in the past, just no longer.

[Elsie]

Do you support FR?

I haven't yet; since 1998.

But I've never THREATENED (AFAIK) either.

If my feelings were hurt that bad; I'd just stay away.

Perhaps sit in the front yard and eat worms maybe, too.

[nanetteclaret]

So you have the gall to criticize me for continuing to post even though I no longer support FR, when you have NEVER financially supported FR? The hypocrisy is stunning!

[BlueDragon]

The hypocrisy is stunning!

Yet not quite as stunning as your own selective outrage...

[Gamecock]

Your faith group does just that.

[Gamecock]

Oddly, I have never seen Prods bashed by Papists! </sarc>

[BlueDragon]

In the above link, as in this matter of "19th Century Lesbian Convent Murders," those who participate make the whole place smell like the National Perspirer and do the devil's work by pulling people down into scandals.

"Herbert Wolf, a leading scholar of the Catholic Church, learned of the Sant'Ambrogio scandal when he became one of the first allowed into the archives of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith".

"Wolf, a professor of ecclesiastical his­tory at University of Muenster, Germany, made the discovery and has retold it in his book The Nuns of Sant'Ambrogio."

And when those in authority heard of what was going on at that place -- what happened? They shut the place down.

So-- what 'scandal' is that for the Roman Catholic Church itself?

It's not like such goings-on were being supported, or that lesbo's were being quietly shifted from parish to parish (where they would continue their little peccadilloes...)

Perhaps you are correct to compare the two -- this lesbo nun book, and the Tuam mother and baby home story, as in how these kind of things can play out on the pages of FR.

In both, there was something of a knee-jerk, hair-partially-on-fire response from 'scandalized' Roman Catholics.

As for the book -- that was allegedly sourced from Vatican archives, if we can believe the article...

For the Tuam babies ---- there most certainly was a 'septic tank' designated on an old map of the place -- right about where the discovery of infant and small child sized human remains were.

Corliss denies saying the word "dumped". She never denied supplying the information which included strong possibility that the structure which eventually became used as burial vault was originally built to be a septic tank -- as one old map indicates that it was.

Yet there is more to the Tuam story that I came across -- that has yet to make it to the pages of FreeRepublic.

Not only were there adults from the work house days found buried on the North side of the property (which there was some slight mention of on these pages)...but not far from the 'septic tank' location...there was yet another area of graves discovered...

According to a woman who claimed she fell into a collapsed portion -- she saw shelves with what she perceived were small bodies, stacked neatly in rows.

I've lost the link to that -- but could find it again -- maybe -- but it could take me hours of rooting around, though one of the articles about use of ground-penetrating radar at the site, may be where I first encountered the info?

For it was in "comments" to an online article -- which led to an Irish radio personality who had done a bit of digging into the issue on his own, and on a few pages he had up last summer, supplied valid information which many here seem to not have seen or contemplated -- or else they would not be saying the things which they do -- like -- "it was a burial vault" (as if that had been actually proven instead of just conjectured) and that there is a map which indicates "septic" not "burial", etc... Oh, and there were even some 'architectural drawings' from the 19th century which show tunnel-like affair which lead to "tanks" outside of the footprint of the buildings themselves.

And the man who with a friend opened the 'septic tank' structure? The same radio show reporter-guy who interviewed him, also said the man related that as a boy he had encountered and explored tunnels on the Tuam property.

These kind of things could help explain why in the 'tank' (whatever it truly was) which was accessed from the top -- the bodies were in something of a disorganized pile, yet for the other "collapsed" area which a woman fell partially into (according to what seems to be as yet to be uncorroborated story) there were "shelves" and orderliness.

That area --- had been accessed by a tunnel perhaps?

So now do the right thing, Mrs. Don-o, and ping all the people which you pinged to your initial response to me on this thread, and let them question myself directly.

All I need is one single polite individual who is willing to concede the strong possibility that there was a map designating "septic tank" (or similar) right about where the underground structure where the piles of bones of babies and small children were discovered --- and I will spend the hours of digging around on the internet to -- find the map, and more.

Like -- provide here to these pages again link to the radio show interview with the individual who encountered the "tank" structure full of bones.

If you don't ping all those persons -- then let everyone see your own efforts for what they are.

Damage control. Down with all critics of the RCC! Up with "the Church" at all costs, including insinuations aimed at discrediting my own person, and my own integrity.

If you have something real on that last aspect -- BRING IT -- and spell it out. If you have something real to say -- then say it. Don't just insinuate.