Sioux Falls couple says their children are victims of "medical kidnapping"

the verse is originally found in chapter 4 verse 9 and is cains response to being Questioned by god on the murder of Able. in that verse Cain states that he is not his brothers keeper. the response of cain was one to get god off his back.

Jesus was asked if we were responsible for others and his response was a famous parable called the good Samaritan this response is in Luke chapter 10

I got one question for you how is interfering with some one that has hit a child in front of you different from interfering with some one that is beating on a stranger in a park in both cases the right thing is to intervene.

Your continued misquoting does not correct your original misstatement. The words “brother’s keeper” appear once: After Cain kills Abel, God asks him where his brother is. Cain responds, “am I my brothers keeper?” or as we would say today “how should I know? I’m not his babysitter”.

In the passage you cite about the Good Samaritan, Christ did not ask us to be our neighbor’s keeper or babysitter. He said we were to love our neighbor as our self...a version of the golden rule.

The Good Samaritan didn’t keep the beaten man with him, or meddle in his affairs. He didn’t even hunt down the robbers to punish them. He took care of the man, left him in good hands and went on his way...certainly not a babysitter.

The question you ask poses a completely different situation than we have been discussing. In fact, I have clearly addressed your false argument. SEEING a child being hit is entirely different than THINKING a child has been hit. Although I am afraid you would intervene if you saw a good parent disciplining their child. You would have probably stuck your nose in when my mom was giving me a spanking - and that would be none of your business, according to the Bible.

A child is presumably more helpless than an adult, therefore in greater need of our help. But my argument has never been that one should not help when there is obvious abuse. My argument has always been that without proof, without certain knowledge, you, the state, anyone is wrong to make assumptions and take children away from the parents based on those assumptions.

look at what Christ was using the parable a reply to. it is a reply to whether we should care about others. when you say I am not my brothers keeper you are saying I don’t care.

most abuse of children happens behind closed doors Away from those that would be sicken if they were to view it. that is why it needs to be investigated if it is suspected. you are so fearful of those that would investigate that you don’t want anyone to look into it.

years ago when I lived in Alaska I had a friend that I knew in a small town. I knew him for about a two years I was I think 25 or 26 at the time he was just a kid about 16 at the time I met him. Something did not seem right about his family life. I could not put my finger on it. he had three younger siblings also. after living in Alaska for about two years I decided to go back to school and I got to know the kid because he had decided to go there also. That kid had not been to school in the last five years and had been kicked out of the house by his parents. he had to get his GED with the help of others that had stepped in when he was in need. it turned out that his dad had moved them to Alaska to hide from cps workers in the lower 48. according to him there was some nasty abuse going on of his mom and his younger siblings. at the urging of others he contacted the state about what was happening and his siblings got help. the big thing that sticks in my mind is that when I was living in that small town I was not the only one that thought there was something not quite right and did nothing. it was a topic of town gossip. If there had not been a state agency to investigate what was happening who knows how long it would of continued.

talking to you is like chasing my tail I am done.

No, that was not the question - the question was “who is my neighbor?” Again you twist the scripture.

Again, the only time the words “brother’s keeper” are used in the Bible is when Cain is saying that he isn’t Abel’s babysitter.

Saying I am not your babysitter (keeper) is NOT saying I don’t care, it is simply saying that I don’t follow you around 24/7 to keep track of you.

You twist my words, you twist your words, you twist the words of scripture. Show me where I said there should not be any investigations - I never said it - in fact I said the opposite. But it is WRONG to take children away based only on suspicion. PERIOD

So, you didn’t follow up on your suspicions be conversing with the young man and learning about the problems earlier, and you feel guilty about that? The answer is not more government, nor is the answer to snatch kids without proof. BTW - one acquires proof through an INVESTIGATION!

I’m sure you feel like you’re chasing your tail. You keep trying to argue things that aren’t at issue, you keep trying to change the argument to something you can defend, and I won’t let you.

Here is my point, and it has always been my point:
It is WRONG to snatch children from their parents without PROOF of abuse or neglect.

You cannot defend your objection to my point...so you chase your tail.

my guess is that I could argue with you till I am blue in the face on this and there will not be any common understanding. Neither of us will change the others opinion on this so carrying on the conversation is meaningless. you seem to think that one must win an argument no my goal is never to win the argument it is to learn from it. I have determined that there is nothing to learn from continuing with this.

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