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To: rustbucket; StoneWall Brigade; 1010RD; central_va; stremba; rockrr; x; Sherman Logan; Mrs. Don-o
rusty: "I do take the Southern point of view, and I try to back it up with data I find and arguments that make sense to me.
Since the Union armies were in Southern territory during most of the war, there is plenty of opportunity to find where Union soldiers did bad things."

Thanks again, your posts never disappoint!

Somehow, overall behavior of Confederate troops has been obscured by mythology, such as: that Marse Robert's troops in the North paid for everything they requisitioned...

This report comes from Guelzo's recent book on Gettysburg, Lee's army marching north crosses into Pennsylvania, June 1863:

Similar events are recorded for other Pennsylvania towns, for example, York:

My point here is that Union troops were more often supplied from their own rail-heads and so didn't usually need to "live off the land", while Confederates always "lived off the land" when they went abroad.

194 posted on 12/19/2014 5:38:31 AM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective.)
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To: BroJoeK

Some of your points are very well taken.

In the Gettysburg campaign Lee “paid” for most of the officially requisitioned supplies, but it was in money that had little or no value. Great propaganda for the CSA, but not much help to those who had their stuff taken. They would be reimbursed only if and when the CSA won their independence, and possibly not then.

However, your description of how southern soldiers behaved is very similar to the way northern soldiers had behaved in the South. And they were steadily getting less restrained in their behavior as the war went on.

Can’t find a reference at the moment, but but I remember an anecdote where Lee himself was approached by a PA farmer complaining about his property being taken without compensation.

Lee replied something like, “Yes, it’s very sad, but this is exactly what has been happening in Virginia for two years now.”

In which there is much truth.

Soldiers have always and everywhere behaved this way in enemy territory, and generally in friendly territory too.

The difference is that for most of our Civil War the theft and plundering was not supplemented by casual assault, rape and murder of civilians. Which historically most wars, especially civil wars, have been.

IOW, your general comments on this thread appear to be that Union soldiers misbehaved in the South in retaliation for CSA misbehavior for the comparatively limited periods when they were operating in Union areas. This is, I believe, exactly backwards.

Chambersburg was burned by Early in 1864 explicitly in retaliation for Hunter’s misbehavior in the Valley. It was the only goodsized northern town so treated. Quite a few southern towns burned.


197 posted on 12/19/2014 6:02:46 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: BroJoeK

When one man views another man as inferior or a slave, this type of behavior results and has at every stage of human history, including our modern era. If we were talking about Democrats or Jihadis there wouldn’t be any argument.


198 posted on 12/19/2014 6:10:22 AM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: BroJoeK

As Lee’s soldiers moved into enemy territory, many of them were surely tempted to pillage and plunder Northern towns and fields in retaliation for the destruction Virginia had been enduring for close to two years. However, in general the Confederates behaved themselves during their invasion of Pennsylvania.

Recognizing the need to avoid turning public opinion against his troops, General Lee on June 22 had issued General Orders Number 72, admonishing his men to avoid injuring or destroying private property. The order also placed the army’s quartermaster corps in charge of appropriating goods for military use, all of which it would pay for in Confederate money, which, however, was worth only a fraction of Northern currency. If the owner refused to accept such payment, officers were to issue a receipt that enumerated the goods taken. Owners refusing to comply with requests for supplies would have their goods seized, but receipts would still be issued.

For the most part,the Southerners obeyed this order, but there were a number of exceptions. General Early contravened it when he burned the Caledonia Furnace, which was owned by Pennsylvania’s Radical Republican Congressman Thaddeus Stevens. Throughout the Confederate sojourn in Pennsylvania, relatively little violence took place between soldiers and white civilians.

www.explorePAHistory.com


199 posted on 12/19/2014 6:19:18 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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