Posted on 10/29/2014 1:11:58 PM PDT by dennisw
She is even more dumb to fail to consider the possibility that she is tempting fate -
It would be a shame if she were to come down with Ebola after shooting off her idiotic mouth in such a public way.
He's one of the best governors the state of Maine has had. Plain spoken and has good conservative principles.
A group of "Constitutionalists" who constantly trump the first and second amendment irrespective of others irrational fears (correctly, IMHO) must respect the rights of all, or they are just hypocrites.
Guidelines in place in hospitals and EMS agencies country wide specify three major items identifying a possible ebola case:
1: Abdominal or GI distress.
2: A fever of greater than 101dg F
3:A recent travel history to 3 specific countrys (Guinea,Sierra Leone, or Liberia) or contact with a an individual who has traveled there in the past 21 days.
ALL of these criteria must be met for the patient to have any chance of being infected with ebola. This would constitue probable cause to hold someone in the public interest. Absense of any of these conditions means absense of probable cause to hold the person, unless you want to count fear as a probable cause.
FREEgards,
We do know that it is not contagious unless a fever is present. There are many claims that the “bug is evolving”, but no evidence that this is any different than other strains of ebola that have broken out. We can not let irrational hysteria govern us.
Case in point: the nurses in Texas Presbyterian Hospital were probably contaminated when removing their personal protective equipment (PPE). It appears that, in an over abundance of caution, they wrapped the exposed skin of their neck with medical tape. They contaminated themselves attempting to unwrap this tape. If they had been wearing only the recommended PPE, they had a better chance of not being contaminated, as it is configured for easy, safe removal.
This is a dangerous, lethal disease, but there is still no evidence it can spread by anything other than contact with an infected patient’s bodily fluids. The problem is, patients who are seriously ill with ebola present with a greatdeal of bodily fluids being expelled, primarily feces (diarrhea) and emesis (vomit). The amounts were such that the PPE of those nurses was heavily contaminated and required careful, sequenced removal. With all that extra tape applied, they couldn’t remove the PPE as it was designed.
That bit of information completely undercuts her statements made in a guest article for the Dallas News about feeling mistreated upon her arrival to the USA. One of her complaints was that a CDC employee asked her questions at the Newark Airport, and she insinuated that the process was "confusing" and upsetting. But she didn't disclose that what the other CDC employee was doing is what she herself does. In her article Ms. Hickox tries to portray herself as some naive, scared victim, but in reality she is in a meeting with her fellow government employees. Source
Does anybody think her actions now, most likely as a CDC employee, or someone closely affiliated with the CDC, aren't coordinated with her employer and other related political entities?
How long before she starts whining again?
I remember reading in the conments of another article that ft Kent is served only by a small 64 bed hospital and an all volunteer rescue squad.An ebola case would mean no hospital for anyone else. The nearest ebola ready facility is 4 hours away.
Governor LePage is going to win....and he is a great guy. Maine FReepers...give him a landslide...
What is interesting that people were getting Typhoid from Mary through the food she cooked and eating it and not getting it even if your close to her. Weird disease.
you can’t be left alone when you make infect and kill others. Safety trumps freedom in that situation. You don’t have a right to do that.
Your argument misses one key point. At this point, Ms. Hickox has basically said she will ignore the quarantine order placed upon her by the government, which is equivalent to declaring ones intent to ignore any other government imposed requirement. Regardless of whether the government's order is supported by science, is logical, moral, or meets one of many other tests in the absence of some legal remedy to the imposed requirement Ms. Hickox either has to comply or suffer the consequences of not doing so.
It is perfectly within her rights as a citizen to refuse to obey any law in a civil way and protest by way of civil disobedience. Doing so may well highlight the issue for everyone to consider.
But advocating for a right to ignore quarantines based on one's personal opinion of the scientific basis for the quarantine seems like it would create a dangerous mindset in the event a real quarantine was needed. If everyone felt that a quarantine they didn't agree with was grounds for ignoring the quarantine order, then it would be likely that any attempt at future quarantines would fail, or even lead to violence.
Perhaps you are not aware that some people (who have died from Ebola) never, ever, had a fever.
I can’t remember the exact percentage, but think it was over 10%. Maybe 13 %?
Also, of the list of symptoms usually associated in the media with Ebole, not every patient has all of these. Some never get the explosive diarrhea, for example. Some do not bleed out.
There is just too much we do not yet understand about this virus, how it spreads, and how long it can last on surfaces. There are lab studies that show it can live on glass, doorknobs, railings, etc. for a very long time if the ambient temperature is low (40 degrees), and we do know it lives in semen for a couple of months.
We do not know what we do not know.
Irrational hysteria is not warranted, obviously. The primary concern that we must address is that our medical system is already stretched to the max, and we do not have the facilities to treat Ebola, the personnel, the equipment and supplies.
With more than a few hundred cases here is the US, we could see our medical care quickly devolve into third world conditions.
I’m in Maine, and I can’t wait to vote for Governor LePage next week.
He’s probably the most conservative governor in the country.
He’s not a nominal republican, that’s for sure.
Ebola frightens me. I’m on the “front line”, as it were, more so than almost any of you. if it gets loose in this country, people I work with every day are going to die. But irrational, unproven fear cannot trump one’s constitutional rights. If ebola is shown to be contagious when the patient is asymptomatic, then things would be different.
[bold]That is not the case[/bold].
YET. There simply isn’t enough known about this disease to make even that determination at this time.
Fact: If there is no virus in the system, symptoms will be non-existent. But if virus does exist, it takes time for symptoms to appear. Until those symptoms appear, there is no way of knowing if the virus is there. If the virus IS there, then it’s totally stupid to assume it’s not contagious in one form or another.
There are times when you have to think of the good of others above yourself. I personally would rather go under quarantine than think others got sick and died as a result of something I was carrying.
The CDC and other scientific so-called ‘experts’ are far from infallible, especially with regard to this particular disease (and no doubt, other diseases as well), AND, since they are using 1940’s studies to make current determinations, nobody should trust the party line currently out there above good, solid infection control procedures.
It’s MUCH better to be safe, than selfish. The people you kill as a result of that selfishness, might be your own loved ones. You want to live with that? Do THEY want to live with that? Fine. Let them go live with you.
While I despise corruption in ANY government, governments do have a certain responsibility to override when the people refuse to govern themselves. The refusal to govern one’s self is exactly how the rest of us loose (and have lost) our own constitutional freedoms.
Yes, the flu has killed more people in this country than ebola has, but ebola hasn’t been here to do it’s dirty deed the way it has in Africa. Now it’s here and I personally am NOT interested in living with ebola.
Mary was a carrier of the disease but never was sick with the disease. Odd...
The first Ebola patient was in-country for a little over 2 weeks,the nurses who came down with the disease were showing symptoms within 10-14 days of the index patients death; this person has been in-country less than a week she can’t know for certain if she is infected yet & her attitude means that she is a potential “Typhoid Mary”. And nobody needs that.
Latest study done by WHO reported that 13% of Ebola victims never ran a fever.
http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-1012-ebola-fever-20141012-story.html#page=1
Arrogant rat bitch should be sent back to africa if she refuses quarentine. She put American lives in danger with her snooty arrogance and her Im smarter than you attitude
f her!! And that hipster filth in NY should be airlifted to the nearest airport in nigeria. Another piece of garbage who thinks is so smart
Apparently you don’t think there is any correlation between repeated “contact exposure” and likelihood of contracting the virus or the contagion threat possibility prior to hard symptoms.
Quarantine is for the public welfare.
Already voted. I vote the first day the absentees are available.
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