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To: aMorePerfectUnion
I also personally knew older mormons who told of keeping one arm in the garment while bathing, then switching to the other arm so that the “protection” was always there.

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they would have had to been very old, that custom died in the 19th century. There was a Novel written that was popular that told a story of a pioneer that did that, that is where most of those silly stories come from. Unless you knew someone endowed before 1900 is is very unlikely that you ever met anyone who did that.

40 posted on 10/23/2014 7:02:01 PM PDT by JAKraig (Surely my religion is at least as good as yours)
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To: JAKraig; SZonian
they would have had to been very old, that custom died in the 19th century.

Here is some Mormon Scripoture that is still in force in the 21st Century:

 
THE
DOCTRINE AND COVENANTS
OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS
SECTION 89
 
Revelation given through Joseph Smith the Prophet, at Kirtland, Ohio, February 27, 1833. HC 1: 327–329. As a consequence of the early brethren using tobacco in their meetings, the Prophet was led to ponder upon the matter; consequently he inquired of the Lord concerning it. This revelation, known as the Word of Wisdom, was the result. The first three verses were originally written as an inspired introduction and description by the Prophet.
 
1–9, Use of wine, strong drinks, tobacco, and hot drinks proscribed; 10–17, Herbs, fruits, flesh, and grain are ordained for the use of man and of animals; 18–21, Obedience to gospel law, including the Word of Wisdom, brings temporal and spiritual blessings.
 
  1 A aWord OF Wisdom, for the benefit of the council of high priests, assembled in Kirtland, and the church, and also the saints in Zion—
  2 To be sent greeting; not by commandment or constraint, but by revelation and the aword of wisdom, showing forth the order and bwill of God in the temporal salvation of all saints in the last days—
  3 Given for a principle with apromise, adapted to the capacity of the bweak and the weakest of all csaints, who are or can be called saints.
  4 Behold, verily, thus saith the Lord unto you: In consequence of aevils and designs which do and will exist in the hearts of bconspiring men in the last days, I have cwarned you, and forewarn you, by giving unto you this word of wisdom by revelation—
  5 That inasmuch as any man adrinketh bwine or strong drink among you, behold it is not good, neither meet in the sight of your Father, only in assembling yourselves together to offer up your sacraments before him.
  6 And, behold, this should be wine, yea, apure wine of the grape of the vine, of your own make.
  7 And, again, astrong drinks are not for the belly, but for the washing of your bodies.
  8 And again, tobacco is not for the abody, neither for the belly, and is not good for man, but is an herb for bruises and all sick cattle, to be used with judgment and skill.
  9 And again, hot drinks are not for the body or belly.
  10 And again, verily I say unto you, all wholesome aherbs God hath ordained for the constitution, nature, and use of man—
  11 Every herb in the season thereof, and every fruit in the season thereof; all these to be used with aprudence and bthanksgiving.
  12 Yea, aflesh also of bbeasts and of the fowls of the air, I, the Lord, have ordained for the use of man with thanksgiving; nevertheless they are to be used csparingly;
  13 And it is pleasing unto me that they should not be aused, only in times of winter, or of cold, or bfamine.
  14 All agrain is ordained for the use of man and of beasts, to be the staff of life, not only for man but for the beasts of the field, and the fowls of heaven, and all wild animals that run or creep on the earth;
  15 And athese hath God made for the use of man only in times of famine and excess of hunger.
  16 All grain is good for the afood of man; as also the bfruit of the vine; that which yieldeth fruit, whether in the ground or above the ground—
  17 Nevertheless, wheat for man, and corn for the ox, and oats for the horse, and rye for the fowls and for swine, and for all beasts of the field, and barley for all useful animals, and for mild drinks, as also other grain.
  18 And all saints who remember to keep and do these sayings, walking in obedience to the commandments, ashall receive bhealth in their navel and marrow to their bones;
  19 And shall afind bwisdom and great ctreasures of dknowledge, even hidden treasures;
  20 And shall arun and not be bweary, and shall walk and not faint.
  21 And I, the Lord, give unto them a promise, that the adestroying angel shall bpass by them, as the children of Israel, and not slay them. Amen.



63 posted on 10/24/2014 4:29:21 AM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: JAKraig; SZonian
... Mormon Scripoture that is still in force in the 21st Century...

So; fellas...

...are your wives glad that cold weather is now here and they can eat MEAT again?

64 posted on 10/24/2014 4:31:35 AM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: JAKraig

I think you may have intended that post for another Freeman...


85 posted on 10/24/2014 6:26:46 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion ( "I didn't leave the Central Oligarchy Party. It left me." - Ronaldus Maximus)
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To: JAKraig
The custom of keeping part of one's body in the garment while bathing didn't die completely in the 19th century. It's not a topic I see come up frequently on contemporary LDS boards, but it is a recurrent topic (and, when described, it invariably involves the ankle swap and not hands)..

As you likely know, bathing is one of the specifically recognized activities during which garments may be removed, so Latter-Day Saints who are taught this are being taught folklore. Wearing or touching a garment while bathing is not an official teaching of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints.

The garments may also be removed for intimate moments, but a minute, fractional percentage of Latter-Day Saints don't. The issue comes up repeatedly in the columns of LDS therapists and counselors and on contemporary LDS boards, all in the context of improving marital relationships.

When the late LDS Apostle Mark E. Peterson gave talks about chastity at BYU and to other youth groups, he invariably mentioned that he'd been married for X years but had never seen his wife's nude body. Perhaps the couple kept the lights turned off, but given the nature of Peterson's talks I'd guess: garments. Peterson and his wife would have worn the one-piece post-1923 garments with the lower access, although Peterson lived to see the 1979 two-piece garments.

Wearing garments during intimacy is not an official teaching of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. A few LDS may do so and I almost always see it in the context of an LDS woman raised in a very conservative LDS family in which chastity and LDS modesty were taught to the extreme. Those Latter-Day Saints are not following church teachings any more than Baptists who commit adultery or Buddhists who murder.

So, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints does not teach either the bathing or intimacy rule and actually has a specific exception for both activities. Some people may be more conservative than the rule, but they are not following the official teachings of the church. It happens in all religions.

When I think of conservative attitudes regarding intimacy, I don't think about the COJCOLDS. I think about my BIL, who married an extremely conservative Southern Baptist girl from Plano whom he met when they attended Baylor, or the guy who married the sister of my BIL's wife.

89 posted on 10/24/2014 8:38:35 AM PDT by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it, Fred.)
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