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Nurses Union: Duncan Not Put In Isolation, Waste Piled Nearly Up to Ceiling
CNN News via Breitbart TV ^ | 14 Oct 2014, 8:15 PM PDT

Posted on 10/14/2014 9:15:46 PM PDT by sheikdetailfeather

CNN Chief Medical Correspondent Dr. Sanjay Gupta reported on further allegations made by a nurses union that Dallas Ebola patient Thomas Eric Duncan was not put into isolation, allowed his blood to circulate through the hospital’s tube system, and that waste “piled up nearly to the ceiling” inside patient’s rooms on Tuesday’s “CNN Tonight.”

Gupta said that the National Nurses United stated that they were informed by nurses that “Mr. Duncan was not in isolation. He was not in isolation for several hours, despite the fact that a nursing supervisor asked that he go into isolation, and that he may have come in contact with seven patients at that time.”

The also claimed, “the blood, the laboratory blood that was taken from Mr. Duncan was sent through the hospital tube system…and the concern is that tube system could potentially become contaminated as a result of the fact that this blood with Ebola was circulating through it.”

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TOPICS: Health/Medicine
KEYWORDS: ceiling; dallas; duncan; ebola; nurses; texas; waste
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To: tcrlaf

Some medical professionals have been advocating separate, state-level Ebola facilities for some time—saying that regular facilities wouldn’t be able to stop contamination within.


101 posted on 10/15/2014 3:28:34 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: PennsylvaniaMom

I was thinking about the hair issue....as a male, if we have an ebola outbreak....I’ll shave my head short and wear head caps. I saw pictures of the European nurses and cdc folks wearing head to toe coverings.


102 posted on 10/15/2014 3:29:54 AM PDT by mdmathis6
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To: VerySadAmerican
I would not be surprised if the next person to become infected will be someone who picks up waste and cleaning the room

Trained people who are really skilled at cleaning the room know how to avoid infection and keep things clean and sanitary. It's the marginal staff...the part-timers who can't afford to take a day off from work, maybe aren't all that bright or dedicated, who don't have a bond to the professional staff that are a problem.

This was my observation from being quarantined with the symptoms of swine flu (not swine flu) five years ago. It was when those top-tier professionals weren't on duty, not many protocols were strictly followed. And nobody can work 24/7. I wonder if there are enough well-trained and truly qualified top-tier employees to manage a hospital under constant threat of Ebola and all the other diseases that could get out of control.

103 posted on 10/15/2014 3:39:26 AM PDT by grania
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To: Oliviaforever

“Why did the hospital not follow CDC guidelines?”

Normalicy bias. Couldn’t have been Ebola. Even if it was Ebola it couldn’t possibly be Ebola.


104 posted on 10/15/2014 3:43:35 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (You know what, just do it.)
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To: re_nortex

I tend to agree. Nurse unions are second to teachers in difficulty and bitching about everything.

Getting the nurses to accept any change in work rules is a major deal.

Individually nurses are wonderful. As a group...they are terrifying.


105 posted on 10/15/2014 3:52:42 AM PDT by Vermont Lt (Ebola: Death is a lagging indicator.)
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Folks around here need to do some reading on the disease.

There was a story in Preston’s book about a room so ravaged by the spraying feces and vomit that the sisters at the hospital just closed down the room. And didnt use it again for a long, long time.

So, waste from floor to ceiling is not unheard of.


106 posted on 10/15/2014 3:55:24 AM PDT by Vermont Lt (Ebola: Death is a lagging indicator.)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

LOL! Grim humor....


107 posted on 10/15/2014 4:15:58 AM PDT by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: lee martell

Haven’t you read that Duncan died begging for a diaper and after days of projectile vomiting and explosive diarrhea

Just like the woman had carried in Liberia and lied about to get on that plane and according to doctor notes from his 2d visit - still lied about at the hospital


108 posted on 10/15/2014 4:20:13 AM PDT by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: Oliviaforever

Ebola can only be managed in specialized containment units

Regular hospitals just aren’t capable of treating the infected without collateral damage to the staff (now 2 nurses infected)

The CDC should have removed Duncan from Dallas on Day 1 and got him into a secure facility.

The fact they didn’t is evidence of unacceptable incompetence, or a deliberate attempt by the WH to ensure the virus spreads.


109 posted on 10/15/2014 4:27:29 AM PDT by Rome2000
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To: TigerClaws
“The hair and neck are NOT covered in the illustration there.
That is live right now on the CDC’s own website.
They are blaming the nurse and the hospital??”

Exactly.
This is taken from the Public Health Agency of Canada website (http://www.phac-aspc.gc.ca/lab-bio/res/psds-ftss/ebola-eng.php):

“INFECTIOUS DOSE: Viral hemorrhagic fevers have an infectious dose of 1 - 10 organisms by aerosol in non-human primates.”

Way too much is not known about this virus to be approaching it like you would any other standard infectious agent.

110 posted on 10/15/2014 4:33:39 AM PDT by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: 9YearLurker
“Some medical professionals have been advocating separate, state-level Ebola facilities for some time—saying that regular facilities wouldn’t be able to stop contamination within.”

Totally agree.

111 posted on 10/15/2014 4:34:36 AM PDT by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: pieceofthepuzzle

If a patient is on a ventilator and there is any sunctioning, that would seem to be a perfect time for fluids with EVD present to become more mobile. Why wouldn’t you want skin and hair covered? Another Freeper mentioned this - Jim Noble, I think.


112 posted on 10/15/2014 4:40:37 AM PDT by Fury
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To: TigerClaws

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2792457/Ebola-patient-cared-70-hospital-staffers.html

this claims the nurses were told to wrap surgical tape around the top of their suits and their necks!!!

As if taking off surgical tape wearing gloves, and without getting infected, is error proof

I want to see Frieden demonstrate this


113 posted on 10/15/2014 4:42:55 AM PDT by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: Oliviaforever
My understanding is that ebola is a Level-4 pathogen (worst level), which means it should be handled with PPE’s that include positive pressure suits (the bubble suits).

The CDC guidelines are for something less than Level-3 pathogens. The sort of gear you might wear when dealing with a new strain of the flu.

The United States is very unprepared for ebola and the CDC is ruled by an Obama appointed bureaucrat rather than a knowledgeable physician.

114 posted on 10/15/2014 4:44:53 AM PDT by kidd
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To: Fury

Ventilator, intubation, and dialysis are all supposed to be especially high-risk procedures for infection. But even merely caring for an Ebola patient—before counting in violent diarrhea and vomiting—should have been enough to give the nurses far greater protection.

The CDC is still recommending only inadequate procedures, so what difference does the number of experts dispatched on site make?


115 posted on 10/15/2014 4:47:26 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: 9YearLurker

Agreed.

The CDC has been remiss in their recommendations - I hope it does not cause HCWs their lives.


116 posted on 10/15/2014 4:55:04 AM PDT by Fury
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To: daisy12

“If it goes pandemic, or at this rate long before, it will take a military operation to manage this disease.”

What a coincidence, Hagel just came out with a plan for our military to handle “climate change”. I bet we could use the same plans for handling Ebola pandemic.

Aren’t we lucky Ebola Barry had the insight to order the military to prepare plans to handle “climate change” and they can also be used for an Ebola pandemic.

Yea, just a coincidence.


117 posted on 10/15/2014 5:42:24 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: daisy12

If we’re going to deploy the military to fight ebola, setting up quarantine locations and handling patients, we should do it here to supplement hospitals - not send them to Africa.

And then there’s the whole question of not trusting veterans to the VA if you die before seeing a doctor for mundane things like cancer somehow handling vets with ebola.


118 posted on 10/15/2014 6:21:41 AM PDT by tbw2
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To: sheikdetailfeather; neverdem; ProtectOurFreedom; Mother Abigail; EBH; vetvetdoug; Smokin' Joe; ...
Look for the Union Liable...

Bring Out Your Dead

Post to me or FReep mail to be on/off the Bring Out Your Dead ping list.

The purpose of the “Bring Out Your Dead” ping list (formerly the “Ebola” ping list) is very early warning of emerging pandemics, as such it has a high false positive rate.

So far the false positive rate is 100%.

At some point we may well have a high mortality pandemic, and likely as not the “Bring Out Your Dead” threads will miss the beginning entirely.

*sigh* Such is life, and death...

119 posted on 10/15/2014 6:45:49 AM PDT by null and void ("Agoraphobia": fear of the marketplace; "AlGoreaphobia": fear of the marketplace of ideas.)
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To: Smokin' Joe
It would be a great to have a national center for disease prevention and control. Maybe Congress can squeak one into the budget.

No kidding!

And just imagine how far a $6 billion dollar budget would go towards anticipating, preventing, and solving these problems!

We need one. Now!

120 posted on 10/15/2014 6:57:40 AM PDT by Gritty (Obama wants to wage war by measuring it out in teaspoons - Ralph Peters)
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