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WWII "Flying Coffin" found in Italy
Fox News ^ | 10.14.2014 | Elizabeth Armstrong Moore

Posted on 10/14/2014 9:23:00 AM PDT by dware

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To: Zman516

Thanks, much appreciated!


21 posted on 10/14/2014 1:41:34 PM PDT by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: Zman516
"No, it wasn’t a B-24. I’m looking for my copy of Desperate Journey to ID it for sure, but as I recall it was a 2-engine Lockheed Hudson."

And here's confirmation:

Flying scenes were shot at the Van Nuys Metropolitan Airport.[2] Warner Bros. was located in close proximity to the Lockheed aircraft plant, and was able to "borrow" a production Lockheed Hudson bomber for the film that was already destined for RAF use.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desperate_Journey
22 posted on 10/14/2014 1:45:31 PM PDT by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: dogcaller

Those same planes visit our local airport each summer for several days. I took the grandkids to see then last year.


23 posted on 10/14/2014 2:06:23 PM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed & water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: dware; zot; centurion316; proxy_user; equaviator

While everyone is focused on the “flying coffin” aspect, here is more of the story:

It turns out the fragments found in Selva del Lamone belonged to a B-24H from the Air Force’s 736th Bomb Squadron, which operated out of southern Italy.

It had taken off in March 1944 with 276 other bombers and was part of an 18-bomber formation that dropped 25 tons of bombs on an airport.

...only two sergeants managed to parachute out, though both ended up in German prison camps.

My father was trained at Harlingen, Texas, to be a B-24 nose gunner. During training the “war wearies” that were used for training, he was in two plans that had engine fires. He bailed out the first time; decided to ride it down the 2nd time (bailing out once was enough he said) and crashed on takeoff a third time. During all of this he was injured and after surgery was declared non-deployable. Of course he added, his injuries were found after he received all of his shots for the South Pacific.


24 posted on 10/14/2014 2:56:45 PM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: GreyFriar

Fabulous follow up! Thank you, and a very heart felt thanks to your Father & family for the sacrifices all of you made!


25 posted on 10/14/2014 3:22:43 PM PDT by dware (3 prohibited topics in mixed company: politics, religion and operating systems...)
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To: dware

Thank you.


26 posted on 10/14/2014 4:17:15 PM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: centurion316
Yes they were. Have you checked out the 493rd web page? Each group has its own page. I could stay on them forever.

It's amazing what those gentlemen accomplished.

27 posted on 10/14/2014 4:32:29 PM PDT by Know et al (Keep on Freepin'!!!)
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To: proxy_user
My dad flew from May 1944-Sept 1944. They may have done thing differently by then. Earlier it was 25 missions. The rate of completed 25 missions was about 33% (I think).

Later it was increased to 30 missions.

I knew fighter pilots did many more sorties but I didn't know the heavies did.

Thanks for the reply.

28 posted on 10/14/2014 4:43:22 PM PDT by Know et al (Keep on Freepin'!!!)
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To: Know et al

It was 50 easy missions - the harder ones counted as a double. If you look at the log book entries I posted, the ‘**’ after each mission is actually two manually drawn five-pointed stars, indicating they counted double.

However, you only got one star for bombing undefended railroad yards in Yugoslavia.


29 posted on 10/14/2014 4:55:18 PM PDT by proxy_user (o)
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To: Know et al

I’m a member of their association. Almost all of the original guys are gone, so the 2d generation carries on.


30 posted on 10/14/2014 4:59:35 PM PDT by centurion316
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To: centurion316
We are losing the greatest generation at an unbelievable rate. I went to the 8th Air Force's museum in Savannah some time ago and there were a few of the veterans there.

It was an honor to meet and talk to them.

31 posted on 10/14/2014 5:10:32 PM PDT by Know et al (Keep on Freepin'!!!)
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Thanks p u. I wasn't aware of those rules for missions. I can see the rationale though.

Thanks again.

My dad actually flew twice on D-Day but the second mission was recalled before they got credit for a combat mission.

32 posted on 10/14/2014 5:14:27 PM PDT by Know et al (Keep on Freepin'!!!)
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To: jmacusa

I believe it was a B24 my Grandpa crash landed in as a flight engineer in the Pacific during WWII. His legs were covered in burn scars and he was deaf in one ear after that. I remember him talking about the planes being death traps he didn’t like riding in.


33 posted on 10/14/2014 5:22:00 PM PDT by Flying Circus (God save us!)
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To: GreyFriar

Great info about your father! Thanks.


34 posted on 10/14/2014 6:10:34 PM PDT by zot
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To: dware

You can see the Diamond Lil at her hanger at the Flying Museum in Ft Worth, sometimes over in Addison, and even ride her at selected occasions: http://www.cafb29b24.org/#!cockpit-tours/c217l
I had the great privilege to assist some gents from the 410BG board her and sit up front a few years ago.


35 posted on 10/14/2014 7:11:50 PM PDT by GopherIt
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To: jmacusa

b29 1st.

b17 2nd.

pass on the b24...


36 posted on 10/14/2014 7:58:36 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man ( Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Darksheare

you can see in that diagram just how weak the wings are and why the wongs would fold up. hint look at where they join the aircraft. hardly any structure holding them on much less bracing them across the spine of the plane. they will just snap off.

again this was before future engineers were able to grow up playing with lego.


37 posted on 10/14/2014 8:04:17 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man ( Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Secret Agent Man
To me the B-17 was the most beautiful, baddest-ass and all around coolest looking airplane ever to fly. A powerful and potent symbol of righteous American might if ever there was one and a perfect canvas, if you will, for classic nose art a la Emilio Vargas. A scanty-clothed, garter-belt wearing gal with a name like "Miss Bea Haven'' coming to pound the Nazis into dust.
38 posted on 10/14/2014 8:14:11 PM PDT by jmacusa (Liberalism defined: When mom and dad go away for the weekend and the kids are in charge.)
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To: Oatka

I fly on the B-24 Diamond ‘Lil - a part of the B29/B24 CAF squadron based in Addison TX. We have one of only two B-24’s still flying in the world. I can tell you that ‘Lil is loud, vibrates like hell, and we love her. We also have a B-29 in the squadron, the only flying B-29 in the world.

Want to work on a B-29 or a B-24? Want to fly with us as crew? Come join our squadron. http://www.cafb29b24.org/


39 posted on 10/14/2014 10:55:06 PM PDT by LifePath
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To: LifePath

BTW, CAF stands for Commemorative Air Force, the old Confederate Air Force. We are keeping the old planes flying, and we all love what we do.


40 posted on 10/14/2014 11:03:34 PM PDT by LifePath
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