http://b-womeninamericanhistory19.blogspot.com/2009/05/19th-century-photo-archives-african.html
Posted on 10/13/2014 5:56:54 AM PDT by armydawg505
An “extremely rare” Civil War-era photograph of the enslaved woman who helped save Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee's Virginia home has been obtained by the National Park Service after a volunteer spotted the image on eBay.
The previously unknown photograph depicts Selina Gray, the head housekeeper to Lee and his family, along with two girls thought to be her daughters. The photograph was unveiled Thursday at the Arlington House plantation overlooking the nation's capital that was home to Lee and dozens of slaves before the Civil War.
An inscription on the back of the image reads "Gen Lees Slaves Arlington Va."
Park officials said this is only the second known photograph taken of slaves at Arlington.
"It's extremely rare to have an identified photo of an enslaved person," said National Park Service spokeswoman Jenny Anzelmo-Sarles. "Since slaves were considered property, it's very rare to have a photo where you can identify the people in the photo."
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What were these industrial changes you speak of?
If the Civil War had never happened slavery would stll have been on the way out and fairly quickly.
I'm not aware of any quotes from any Southern leaders prior to or at the beginning of the Civil War that indicates they believed that.
Discuss whatever you wish.
Didn’t Lee Free His Slaves?
Many historians say there were more slaves owned by black or mixed race slave owners than white.
In 1830 there were 13,000 slaves, out of 2,000,000, owned by black men.
I think that’s a good deal less than a majority.
http://www.theroot.com/articles/history/2013/03/black_slave_owners_did_they_exist.2.html
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You can find all kinds of information on the subject, I caution anyone interested in the subject to look at several sources, many are obviously pro one way or the other. You might want to peruse this site, http://people.uwec.edu/ivogeler/w188/south/charles/charles3.htm, which puts some numbers on the issue.
I said many historians, I don’t claim who is right. Because one says it doesn’t make it right, likely the census is our best friend here.
Your site just lines up with mine.
Any historian who says blacks owned more slaves than whites is simply wrong.
According to the 1830 census, they owned 0.65% of all slaves.
“The pic of the slave women on the Fox News site is a stereoscope picture. Which means it was mass produced at some point in time.”
The pic is stereoscopic, but it was not necessarily mass produced. Lots of homemade stereo views were made back then. Pictures of that period were made by the “wet plate” process, something available only to professionals or serious amateurs. It was not much harder with bellows cameras of the time to expose the plate with two lenses than it was to with one lens, so it is not unusual for private stereo pictures to be found today. I have several homemade stereo cards that are dated from 1867 and identify the location of the scene. All information on my cards is handwritten, not printed as the commercial cards usually are.
Incorrect. Fredrick Dent retained title to the several slaves that tended to Julia, his daughter. They were never her or Ulysses Grants property. However, Dent did gave Grant ownership of a male slave in late 1857, to help him on the farm Grant was working. Grant gave the slave his freedom in 1859.
Grant freed the only slave he owned in 1859. The slaves that worked for Julia, were the property of her father Fredrick Dent. She, nor her husband U.S. Grant never owned these slaves.
Its just the way history was evolving and did evolve. Mechanization was on the way in and came in fairly quickly. There is not a lot of room to argue the Industrial Revolution.
It is one human being Owned by another
I don't think it was quick at all. Mechanical cotton harvesters weren't introduced until the 1930's.
By the 1880’s the textile industry was in full swing in the South.
I have to disagree with you there. New Bedford was a shipping port, albeit smaller than Baltimore, but still reliant on fishing and trade just as Baltimore was.
As to Pittsburgh, being a native and having some parts of the family going back to the Civil War era, the average working man there, as well as his family did far better than their counterparts in the southern states.
The only relative I know of who was a veteran of that war was a great uncle of my mother who was born in 1914. She knew this elderly uncle when she was a young child.
Looking at his records, he was a worker in an iron foundry when the civil war broke out. He listed his occupation on his enlistment forms as a 'puddler.' They were the guys who walked right up to the furnace, took a sample of the iron and poured it into a mold and decided if the entire heat were ready for a pour.
That was a tough and dangerous job, but he owned his own home and had a family when he enlisted in the Union Army.
Comparing his circumstances to that of a slave is night and day.
Nice myth for you to believe, but no,they didn't know that then and would not have believed it had you told them. In fact, mechanization of cotton harvesting didn't become practicable until the 1950s. Before that, virtually all cotton was picked by hand.
I first visited Georgia in the early 1960s and there were still plenty of 'share croppers', white and black and still plenty of cotton picked by hand.
No one in the south in 1860 envisioned bringing in a cotton crop without slave labor.
If you look at it right, you can see the 3D with the naked eye (like those images that look like a jumble that were popular for a while). I got it to work, but now I’m seeing double.
http://b-womeninamericanhistory19.blogspot.com/2009/05/19th-century-photo-archives-african.html
A lot of the crops in Georgia are still picked by hand but we don’t have slaves doing it. Slaves were not doing it in the 60’s either.
There was a lot of other industry that began to be developed in the South in the 1800’s textile mills being a large Southern industry.
And with the share cropper model developed after the Civil War, there was no need or desire for mechanization because both poor whites and blacks were still tied to the land and there was little or no need for mechanization.
It was not until WWII when the factories of the North drew so many of those share croppers, white and black, from the south that a demand grew for mechanical harvesting of cotton.
Back in ‘60 when I was still a heathen, stationed in Japan in the Army; a buddy showed me how to put 2 identical Playboy magazine photos side-by-side and look down on them with your naked eyes, and train your eyes to focus your left eye on the lefthand photo and your right eye on the other, and have the images jump into 3-D just as if you were looking through a viewer. It really worked. That was a long time ago. Don’t know if I could do that now.....and why would I want to?
P.S. I just now did it with my naked eyes on the Lee slave photos in the article. A few seconds practice and it jumps right into 3-D.
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