Posted on 10/01/2014 9:59:34 PM PDT by Kartographer
Yes. And sorry, not your fault. I have repeatedly posted info about Ebola and been challenged to provide links. When I do, I am told that my info is useless, including CDC links. Just tired of being beaten up when simply trying to share information as I understand it. So i have gotten a little defensive.
My bad.
You have to be “shedding” the virus to be contagious. There is an incubation period before that level of infection is reached that varies, by the nature of virus as well as by individual.
I’ve read numerous accounts (I think the Canada Health Site was one), where once the virus enters your body it can take 3-21 days before symptoms show, and once the symptoms show one is viral. And I think he didn’t start showing symptoms until a few days after his arrival. Lets hope he wasn’t out and about too much once he started feeling ill.
OTOH, the virus can last 2-3 days IIRC on surfaces of things. He held his dieing relative. I wonder how much of the virus was on his clothing, and if he wore those same clothes on his trip?
CDC be damned, as far as I’m concerned, for my own self, 2 seconds within 20 yards of an Ebola victim is way “too close”.
I think that a lot of things the CDC says are suspect.
Can’t go stampeding the herd, now can we?
*Would* they tell us terrifying facts, if they knew we’d freak out?
Doubtful.
Humanity will go berserk when a lousy little snow storm is coming, let alone a deadly plague.
It’s their job to maintain a semblance of outward calm, yet you never see them show up to test people, wearing just t shirts and flip flops.
:)
Not a perfect link (I’m tired) but here you go: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/06/050608065550.htm
Thank you for intelligently stating that which was tragically stranded somewhere in the hinterlands of my gray matter.
;]
That concerns me, as well.
As a front row participant in a rabies epidemic, ‘viral viability’ is something I fret over.
A dead rabid animal can still infect a person, *especially* if it’s hot outside and the minimum temps necessary for the virus’ survival have been maintained.
Once cold, no problem.
Kept warm, it could be many, many hours.
Or even longer.
I tend to want to purify every single blessed thing he touched with fire.
[I’d bet money that Stephen King is currently holed up in sterile room, breathing filtered air]
http://monrovia.usembassy.gov/sm_ebola_040414.html
Here is most of the information at the link. I’m not sure what to believe. While their anecdotes about children living in one-room huts with sick people, but never touching the sick people and the kids don’t get it is hopeful; the part about “there is no reason at this time to restrict air travel” is obviously in error.
And I’m leery that just washing the clothes in regular soap will kill ebola. Maybe wear whites all the time and use bleach.
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From the link:
Monrovia | April 04, 2014
In order to help U.S. citizens better understand some of the key points about the Ebola virus, we have consulted with our medical specialists at the U.S. State Department and assembled this list of bullet points worded in plain language for easy comprehension. Our medical specialists remind everyone that they should be following the guidelines from the Center for Disease Control and Prevention and the World Health Organization
The suspected reservoirs for Ebola are fruit bats.
Transmission to humans is thought to originate from infected bats or primates that have become infected by bats.
Undercooked infected bat and primate (bush) meat transmits the virus to humans.
Human to human transmission is only achieved by physical contact with a person who is acutely and gravely ill from the Ebola virus or their body fluids.
Transmission among humans is almost exclusively among caregiver family members or health care workers tending to the very ill.
The virus is easily killed by contact with soap, bleach, sunlight, or drying. A washing machine will kill the virus in clothing saturated with infected body fluids.
A person can incubate the virus without symptoms for 2-21 days, the average being five to eight days before becoming ill. THEY ARE NOT CONTAGIOUS until they are acutely ill.
Only when ill, does the viral load express itself first in the blood and then in other bodily fluids (to include vomit, feces, urine, breast milk, semen and sweat).
If you are walking around you are not infectious to others.
There are documented cases from Kikwit, Democratic Republic of Congo of an Ebola outbreak in a village that had the custom of children never touching an ill adult. Children living for days in small one room huts with parents who died from Ebola did not become infected.
You cannot contract Ebola by handling money, buying local bread or swimming in a pool.
At this time, there is no medical reason to stop flights, close borders, restrict travel or close embassies, businesses or schools.
As always practice good hand washing techniques. You will not contract Ebola if you do not touch a dying person.
The U.S. Embassy is open for business as usual, including the consular section.
The two confirmed individuals with Ebola in Liberia have both expired at this time, one in Lofa County and the other in medical isolation at Duside Hospital.
To obtain Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) travel notices, call the CDC at 1-800-CDC-INFO (1-800-232-4636) from within the United States, or 1-404-639-3534 from overseas, or visit the CDC website at http://www.cdc.gov/travel.For more information on Ebola hemorrhagic fever, please visit the CDC website at www.cdc.gov/vhf/ebola.
I reckon the bright side is, that this is not a prion.
:-\
CDC spokespeople been saying that ebola isn’t contagious until the victim starts showing symptoms of the illness. I wouldn’t want to put that to the test but it’s what the medical types are saying.
Duncan landed in Dallas on Sept20th. He first felt ill on the 24th. So if what the CDC medics are telling us is accurate the people on the plane should be okay.
The research is from 2005 and provides no evidence of human contagion from a canine source. It suggests that there may be some possibility of that occurring, however more research was deemed necessary at that time.
So, it’s not exactly supportive of your assertions, pityar. If later research exists that does, I’m not aware of it. Transmission of Ebola to humans from other species has always been attributed to either eating an infected animal, or being bitten by it.
The scariest part is that they’re almost indestructible.
Keflex ain’t gonna touch it.
It’s Bush meat’s fault.
Sigh. The linked article makes it clear that dogs can harbor the virus.
Ever had a dog lick your face or hand? Do I need to provide a link proving that such a thing does actually occur every now and then?
Also, it is clear that a very small viral load is enough to infect someone. (Links provided up thread by others.)
But no, I did not provide a link proving a case of dog to human transmission. So of course up I am making a completely baseless assertion. Because dogs don’t slobber all over the place (no link, ergo does not occur).
Ok. Fine. You’re right. It is completely unreasonable of me to assert that this might be a concern.
/I give up
Feeling ill from a virus most often but not always coincides with that virus reproducing. It becomes contagious at that point because the newly increased viral load is “shedding” in mucous, saliva and/or sweat, meaning the virus is present in those bodily fluids and therefore can infect other people. Before that point, the typical aches and fever are not present. That’s the immune response once the immune system recognizes that the virus is an infection to be fought off. Aches and pains are due to new white blood cells, etc. being produced, as well as an inflammation response. The immune reaction causes the symptoms rather than the virus itself.
You’re positing an unobserved and unproven vector of transmission. Is it possible? Don’t know. Every documented instance of transmission to humans from another species has been due to eating an infected animal or being bitten by one, not via contagion. The burden of proof is on you. I have no burden to disprove your novel assertions. That’s the way it works, pityar.
Yup. But there are viruses that are contagious before symptoms appear though. Herpes (cold sores) is one example. This strain of Ebola MIGHT be another in some cases according to some studies. (No link - too tired and frustrated - but you can easily find them if you search.).
Again, MIGHT.
I’m convinced that this was deliberate.
Everybody needs to start hitting the vitamin D3 really hard.
Somebody here suggested that to me a couple years ago and it’s been outrageously beneficial to me.
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