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The Saudis run Mecca like Disney runs their parks. Expansion to handle more and more pilgrims. The author mentions how the Saudis have destroyed much of the cultural heritage of the place especially sites that were important to the early days of Islam. Pilgrims would venerate at the sites associated with Muhammad, his family, and early leaders but the Salafists view that as idolatry so they destroyed most of those sites. The Saudis destroyed a historical Ottoman fort to make room for the gaudy Las Vegas style mega-hotel the article mentions.
1 posted on 10/01/2014 6:18:24 AM PDT by C19fan
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This title made me soooo hopeful.


2 posted on 10/01/2014 6:19:32 AM PDT by bolobaby
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Interesting. Perhaps the Saudis aren’t ALL bad...


3 posted on 10/01/2014 6:22:01 AM PDT by WayneS (Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.)
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A very important article, both in itself and because of the amazingvvfact that the NYT published it. By the bottom of the page it is blaming the Saudis for jihadism, at the very least on the cultural/spiritual level.

Remarkable.

Thank you for posting this.

4 posted on 10/01/2014 6:27:25 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Point of clarification.)
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Funny, no mention of the disgust Malcolm X felt at having been lied to about islam and slavery.


5 posted on 10/01/2014 6:32:40 AM PDT by cripplecreek
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get ALL these bastards together and Duke Nukem.


6 posted on 10/01/2014 6:35:07 AM PDT by Joe Boucher (Obammy lied and lied and lied.)
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I've heard that the only reliable way to save oneself from ebola is to make the hajj and circle the kaaba whilst coughing vigourously and shaking hands, after spitting on them, with one and all.

[wink, wink. nudge, nudge]

8 posted on 10/01/2014 6:38:26 AM PDT by Paine in the Neck (Socialism consumes EVERYTHING)
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The house of Khadijah, the first wife of the Prophet Muhammad, has been turned into a block of toilets.

Needs no comment. Speaks for itself.

9 posted on 10/01/2014 6:39:07 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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Notice no violent protests over muslims destroying their own holy city!


10 posted on 10/01/2014 6:42:01 AM PDT by RginTN
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I wonder how many ebola virus particles are walking around the rock today.


11 posted on 10/01/2014 6:45:23 AM PDT by Vermont Lt (Ebola: Death is a lagging indicator.)
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> Makkah Royal Clock Tower hotel, which, at 1,972 feet...

It would be a shame if somebody flew an airliner into it.


14 posted on 10/01/2014 7:05:03 AM PDT by glorgau
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Who the heck knows, as inifdels are not allowed into the city. Secondly, WTFGAS?????? The city, and the black rock, should be turned into glass.


15 posted on 10/01/2014 7:11:02 AM PDT by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
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“The Saudis running Mecca like Disney [running] their parks” is actually appropriate in light of the history of Mohammed and Islam. In Mohammed’s time Mecca had a substantial “tourist” industry, based on pagan shrines... as I recall from a Middle East history course I took decades ago. Mohammed had considered Jerusalem and other sites as his center place but essentially made a deal with the leaders in Mecca, insuring that his followers would be obligated to visit their city. Maybe Disney had learned from Mohammed - build a place attracting visitors and then the hotels and other items to extract as much money as possible.


16 posted on 10/01/2014 7:14:35 AM PDT by LibertyOh
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Hajj... AKA A PERFECT change to spread Ebola with all the African Muslims. Multitudes of worldwide travelers. Saudi sanitation. People in close quarters sweating, spitting, coughing, shaking hands, kissing cheeks. What’s to worry about?


17 posted on 10/01/2014 7:30:30 AM PDT by Organic Panic
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I suggest we help return Mecca to its former glory as Sand Capital of the Barbarian World by turning it into the world’s largest glass parking lot.


18 posted on 10/01/2014 7:35:02 AM PDT by IronJack
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Next Disney will be trying to start a religion where one of the Five Pillars is to have at least one mandatory visit to Disney World.


22 posted on 10/01/2014 7:49:08 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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All to walk around a meteorite, worship the moon and pay homage to serial mass murderer, slave trader and child rapist...


24 posted on 10/01/2014 7:58:20 AM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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Step ONE: Get a big plane. Make a very large water balloon type “bomb” filled with red paint.

Step TWO: Drop it on the black box thus changing the color to red.

Step THREE: Notify all countries that the next killing of any kind in the name of islam will result in another bomb but the next one will be filled with pig blood.

Step FOUR: Time for popcorn.


25 posted on 10/01/2014 8:24:27 AM PDT by isthisnickcool (NO MORE IRS!)
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Interesting... I could make a case that one of the major reasons the Saudi’s are promoting and ‘exporting’ Islam everywhere around the world is that part of a devout Muslim’s life duty is to go on a pilgrimage at least once in their life to Mecca.

Lot’s of money to be made in religious ‘pilgrimages’ and a good fall back plan when the oil revenue dips to far down.


26 posted on 10/01/2014 8:46:07 AM PDT by The Working Man
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Odd Fact: The Ka’aba is 666 nautical miles from the Temple Mount. Make of that what you will.


27 posted on 10/01/2014 9:24:48 AM PDT by Buggman (returnofbenjamin.com)
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31 posted on 10/01/2014 9:48:22 AM PDT by minnesota_bound
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