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Turns out 2014 trade with China so far, is just as big as disaster as 2013 was
US Census ^ | 9/28/2014 | (original post)

Posted on 09/28/2014 9:42:06 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network

People we are sleeping in America.

Every single month now, we buy 30 or 40 billion dollars more from China, than we sell to China.

This year, is every bit the disaster, that it was last year. And the year before.

Except it is worse, because we CONTINUE TO INCREASE OUR DEBT.

Just saying. Bring back American businesses, and bring back American JOBS.

Jobs.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Chit/Chat
KEYWORDS: america; china
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
Bring back American jobs. Back to America.

That's all you'll say.

What do the rest of your buddies at the union hall want us to do?

Or is whining as far as you'll go?

21 posted on 09/28/2014 1:25:20 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Science is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

I’ve never been in, or affiliated with, any union.

I have told you that before.

Please focus.


22 posted on 09/28/2014 1:27:25 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html#2013)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
You first.

Focus on a solution.

Beyond your whining.

23 posted on 09/28/2014 1:28:43 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Science is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

I am sorry to say but You are dreaming. There is a push to get a One World Government in place by just about all the billionaires and all the bankers and all the money handlers in legislative positions. Guess who is going to win the fight? Hint: It won’t be you and me. The best we can do is hang on to our weapons so they don’t get too drastic with their enslavement ideas.


24 posted on 09/28/2014 1:33:07 PM PDT by B4Ranch (Name your illness, do a Google & YouTube search with "hydrogen peroxide". Do it and be surprised.)
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To: Secret Agent Man
All you mentioned would help, but competing against Chinese slavery is very difficult.
25 posted on 09/28/2014 2:37:01 PM PDT by 2001convSVT (Going Galt as fast as I can.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

I think some have sold out.

I think others have done it as a response to keep the company competitive and keep consumer prices down. so that people will still decide to buy their stuff.

i think many have gone there because epa ran them out of the country via regulations.

i think some have gone because of tax laws.

either way, if your core statement of “bring jobs back” will ever happen, you HAVE to make this a more attractive place to OPERATE a business. the end of it is american workers do well at semi-skilled and skilled jobs, but need higher pay and benefits to live here, so that offset must be made by tax reduction on the businesses if they want to keep the competitive price-point.


26 posted on 09/28/2014 2:56:15 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man ( Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

and the other thing to do is is you want american jobs is close the damn border, end welfare, and end the h1b visa scam programs.


27 posted on 09/28/2014 2:57:48 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man ( Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Toddsterpatriot
You know what cracks me up? Manufacturing jobs really don't pay that well. In all fairness, most do offer a full benefit package. But pay? Nope.

And for my company it's a dirty, grinding job. Some high school kid taking one? Not a chance.

28 posted on 09/28/2014 3:51:02 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

“I completely disagree.”

***

Kindly provide the factual basis for your disagreement. Otherwise, you’re just chanting meaningless slogans hoping others will capitulate to your obdurance. Saying the same thing repeatedly without factual support is just an emotional rant.


29 posted on 09/28/2014 3:54:25 PM PDT by peyton randolph (Good intentions do not excuse poor results.)
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To: peyton randolph

OK let’s start with your first statement:

“The national debt is because of government spending, not the Chinese. “

I disagree with this statement. Although we have enabled the Chinese, they have created our national debt because they do not buy from us.

The Chinese have created a massive trade imbalance. We need to correct that.


30 posted on 09/28/2014 3:57:16 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html#2013)
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To: Secret Agent Man
if your core statement of “bring jobs back” will ever happen, you HAVE to make this a more attractive place to OPERATE a business.

He won't go out on a limb and actually agree that we have to change things. That's not in his union contract.

31 posted on 09/28/2014 3:57:25 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Science is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

It’s not out of balance. We send them money, they send us goods.

The books balance.


32 posted on 09/28/2014 3:58:50 PM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: peyton randolph

Now let’s continue to your fourth statement:

The biggest impediment to American jobs isn’t the Chinese.

More accurately, it is that some American companies have sold out American workers, in order to by things from China.

Bring the jobs back to America.


33 posted on 09/28/2014 3:59:53 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html#2013)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
Although we have enabled the Chinese, they have created our national debt because they do not buy from us.

BZZT. We have created our national debt, through our politicians in Washington, D.C. (and the odd type who favors national health care--hint).

34 posted on 09/28/2014 4:00:22 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
I've had a boycott of Chinese goods for years now.

Folks, buy anywhere but Chinese.

About a year of so ago, I went to two Western stores to purchase a new pair of boots.

Cavenders and a local outfit both carried about 2/3rds or so of their boot inventory with labels, “Made in China”.

I went out to Justin/Tony Lama boot FB sites and lodged a public complaint.

It read, “Something as uniquely American as the Western cowboy boot made in CHINA? Are you serious?”

I receive quite a few likes and folks were checking out it out and commenting like crazy.

I then had representatives from both Justin and Tony Lama boots chime in very quickly. We here at Justin (TLama) are proud of the quality of our boots...blah blah blah.

Join me folks. Boycott the commie Chinese. They are NOT our friends.

35 posted on 09/28/2014 4:00:56 PM PDT by servantboy777
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
Although we have enabled the Chinese, they have created our national debt because they do not buy from us.

BS. If they bought $27 billion more from us per month last year, we'd have had a tiny surplus with them.

How would that have eliminated the $919 billion we added to the debt last year?

36 posted on 09/28/2014 4:04:32 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Science is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

“Although we have enabled the Chinese, they have created our national debt because they do not buy from us.”

****

Whether the U.S. has a national debt is not dependent upon whether the Chinese buy goods from the U.S. private sector.

The U.S. national debt exists because the federal government spends more money than it takes in. The solution is to cut government spending and repay the debt. The government is trying to cheat on this by continuing to spend but devaluing the currency so the debt can be repaid in cheaper dollars.

The fact that the Chinese do not buy much from the U.S. creates a trade deficit but that is not the same thing as the national debt. There is no correlation. If the Chinese bought as much from U.S. businesses as we do from China, there would still be a huge growing national debt because of government spending.


37 posted on 09/28/2014 4:34:04 PM PDT by peyton randolph (Good intentions do not excuse poor results.)
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To: peyton randolph

I disagree with you, to the extent that you are saying the Chinese trade deficit does not contribute to the national debt.

It does.

We are giving away 30 billion dollars every single month, to China.

That was my entire point, in the original post. We are giving away America’s wealth.

Stop it. Bring back American jobs.


38 posted on 09/28/2014 4:37:29 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html#2013)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

“More accurately, it is that some American companies have sold out American workers, in order to by things from China.”

****

Despite union spin, American workers have lost their jobs for many reasons unrelated to China. They include a burdensome regulatory environment, the importation of illegal cheap labor, costly lawsuits, and high taxation. There’s little economic incentive to create or keep jobs in the U.S. these days. Have everything to do with the policies of federal, state, and local governments.

If China didn’t exist, there’d always be another scapegoat (Mexico, India, etc.) rather than addressing the causes.


39 posted on 09/28/2014 4:39:35 PM PDT by peyton randolph (Good intentions do not excuse poor results.)
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To: peyton randolph

Don’t change the subject.

China is the problem.

China needs to balance it’s trade with America, or America needs to bring our trade home.

The current situation is completely out of control.


40 posted on 09/28/2014 4:43:08 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html#2013)
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