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To: BuckeyeTexan

Well again, the single layer works and reduces illegals as the articles show, but that minor detail aside, most of us fence fans want the double wall concrete/barb wire model shown in so many conceptual drawings. And that comes with patrols and sensors.

We all have always said that it would be a manned fence. None of us think we just build it and forget it. So if what you say is true, you in fact DO support a fence. That being the case why argue against one at all? Is it not better to support the idea of ‘a fence’ from the get go and then once we get that, negotiate the details?

Sure, I get the battery saws etc. I don’t deny that for a moment. But I don’t, nor do any of us, expect this thing to be pure Black hole/Kryptonite no matter what form it takes. Some shall pass. Humans are resourceful. But the point is that most shall not. A physical barrier complicates entry no matter how one views the situation. And that results in a safer America and fewer Democrat pawns to manipulate against America.


905 posted on 09/22/2014 12:34:49 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart (How's that 'lesser evil' workin' out for ya?)
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To: Norm Lenhart

I’ve always told you that I support the right kind of barrier. That hasn’t changed.

The details have already been negotiated, Norm. I jumped on the fence bandwagon up front. (See my posting history regarding Kay Bailey Hutchison’s betrayal of Texans with an amendment to fencing legislation.) Then Congress passed legislation mandating the designs and allocating the money. What we got from that deal is pathetic. It merely slows illegals down for a few minutes. It certainly isn’t manned well enough when the illegals have time to climb over, cut through, tunnel under, etc.

Again, I am not arguing against a barrier. I am pointing out the abysmal failure of the fence we have. Why you ask? I suppose because I am a DBA. Details and data are my business. The data tells me that this fence doesn’t work and isn’t sustainable. (We won’t agree on that.) Also because I know that if something is worth doing, it is worth doing right. As we say in IT, “There are never enough time and resources to do it right, but there are always enough to do it over ... and over ... and over ...” That’s what has happened with this border fence.

If you want to go with a modernized Roman wall, I’m in. If you want to separate the U.S. from Mexico with a Panama-style canal, I’m in. But how do you get there? You can’t if what you have works in any substantial way because our fellow limited-government conservatives will have no appetite for such grand visions. Likewise, if we finish this fence and it proves to be the failure that I believe it is, they will have no appetite for “another fence.”

We refuse to support RINOs (even 80/20 friends) because what we need are conservatives. To me, the same philosophy applies to this fence. BP says they apprehend 1 in ten. What good is a fence that helps stop only 10%? The 90% getting through are overwhelming us.


906 posted on 09/22/2014 8:25:29 AM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind. ~Steve Earle)
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