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Is Your Firearms Training Realistic?
Townhall Magazine ^ | Sep 09, 2014 | Bob Owens

Posted on 09/12/2014 12:09:36 PM PDT by RC one

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To: RC one

We have a recent freeper sign up that belongs to this unit.

Does this shooting training look realistic enough to you?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rI01qKAqYts


21 posted on 09/12/2014 12:53:47 PM PDT by ansel12 (LEGAL immigrants, 30 million 1980-2012, continues to remake the nation's electorate for democrats)
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To: Billthedrill

sounds like fun. We’re very limited around where I live as far as firearms training facilities go so I have had to improvise. I wish we had some kind of a semi-realistic combat handgun range.


22 posted on 09/12/2014 12:53:49 PM PDT by RC one (Militarized law enforcement is just a nice way of saying martial law enforcement.)
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To: RC one

Don’t underestimate the damage a stationary paper target can do. For one thing, they can cause on heck of a wicked paper cut.


23 posted on 09/12/2014 12:56:24 PM PDT by WayneS (Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.)
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To: TurboZamboni

Tex (who is from Illinois shows us why):
WARNING ADULT WORDS!!!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3kJ6SU3ycs


24 posted on 09/12/2014 12:57:43 PM PDT by mad_as_he$$
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To: TurboZamboni

There are no such restrictions on my front porch.

Or on the back deck, for that matter.


25 posted on 09/12/2014 12:58:03 PM PDT by WayneS (Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.)
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To: Puppage

It sounds like you should consider starting a new club.


26 posted on 09/12/2014 12:58:57 PM PDT by WayneS (Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.)
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To: RC one

When I practice I like to bring the Ma and Dillon along:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjlDRTemjzQ


27 posted on 09/12/2014 1:00:29 PM PDT by mad_as_he$$
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To: BuffaloJack
I used to prepare for hunting season with a pellet gun in my basement.

At Fort Polk and little Vietnam during the Vietnam war, we trained with BB rifles for quick shooting, and shot at targets that were about half the size of playing cards, from our waist.

28 posted on 09/12/2014 1:00:45 PM PDT by ansel12 (LEGAL immigrants, 30 million 1980-2012, continues to remake the nation's electorate for democrats)
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To: Puppage
They say area home owners were afraid that the militia were training there.

Which begs the question, who are these homeowners? To whom are the militia a threat? Rioters, looters, blue helmets and out of control politicians come to mind.

29 posted on 09/12/2014 1:01:12 PM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed & water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: ansel12

very realistic. including the accidental discharge. Not sure how necessary the FMJ round are though.


30 posted on 09/12/2014 1:02:50 PM PDT by RC one (Militarized law enforcement is just a nice way of saying martial law enforcement.)
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To: RC one

What?

Drinking Millers and shooting the empties isn’t realistic training?


31 posted on 09/12/2014 1:03:27 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: Secret Agent Man
i think for existence as an org that has live fire exercises, rules on the course are required.

Quite. If IDPA (for example) were a free-fire zone, I wouldn't do it. I'm neither insane nor stupid.

BUT ...

The rulebook does reduce realism.

i know some people who’ve gone through the courses and they’ve found it useful.

I regularly shoot IDPA and other competitions. I agree that it's useful, and a huge improvement over shooting from behind a bench, down a lane, at a static paper target.

32 posted on 09/12/2014 1:03:36 PM PDT by NorthMountain
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To: mad_as_he$$

I don’t even need to click on that link. I have watched poor Tex shoot himself in the leg many times. I always think of him before I practice in fact. I would LOL but it’s not really a joking matter.


33 posted on 09/12/2014 1:05:11 PM PDT by RC one (Militarized law enforcement is just a nice way of saying martial law enforcement.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Bad guys are, first and foremost, cowards. That’s why they operate in packs. And they are only interested in defenseless victims.

There are conversations where that generalization can apply and be useful as part of making a point, but the strong way you used it, is completely wrong, a lot of bad guys love danger and excitement and by no means do they always operate in packs. When you hear of bad guys being armed to the hilt and security obsessed, it isn't cops they are afraid of, it is the other bad guys that scare them, the bad guys who know that they are armed to the hilt with guns everywhere.

34 posted on 09/12/2014 1:10:12 PM PDT by ansel12 (LEGAL immigrants, 30 million 1980-2012, continues to remake the nation's electorate for democrats)
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To: ansel12
My original claim still stands, backed up by DOJ crime statistics, that 99 out of 100 times a bad guy will leave if he even thinks you have a firearm in your possession.

You're talking about that other 1%, and they aren't bullet-proof.

35 posted on 09/12/2014 1:18:54 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The man who damns money obtained it dishonorably; the man who respects it earned it." --Ayn Rand)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

I don’t have a problem with the statistics, I was just trying to inform you that not all bad guys are physical cowards, some relish danger and fighting, it is how they became bad guys.


36 posted on 09/12/2014 1:23:58 PM PDT by ansel12 (LEGAL immigrants, 30 million 1980-2012, continues to remake the nation's electorate for democrats)
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To: RC one

The solution to this is quite simple, and yet about as realistic as you can get. Two people with cap guns. Maybe one with a rubber knife as well.

Seriously, if you shoot guns a lot, you are used to the look, feel and nature of real guns, so it is not hard to imagine a more realistic cap gun in the place of a real gun.

I’d add on a tripod and a digital video recorder, because you can learn a heck of a lot by watching your “game films”.

You can practice the Tueller drill. Likewise practice your subterfuge, using tricks to get close to the gunman.

Importantly, it *almost* feels embarrassing to shoot at someone with blanks, and that simulates the deadly hesitation you might get when you need to fire real bullets.


37 posted on 09/12/2014 1:25:17 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("Don't compare me to the almighty, compare me to the alternative." -Obama, 09-24-11)
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To: ansel12

I thought everything was absolute. I had no idea that wasn’t true. Thank you for informing me of that. I am forever in your debt.


38 posted on 09/12/2014 1:25:39 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The man who damns money obtained it dishonorably; the man who respects it earned it." --Ayn Rand)
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To: BenLurkin

nope, But it sure is fun, isn’t it?


39 posted on 09/12/2014 1:28:56 PM PDT by RC one (Militarized law enforcement is just a nice way of saying martial law enforcement.)
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To: ansel12

Holy CRAP! Those guys don’t skroo around!


40 posted on 09/12/2014 1:30:42 PM PDT by RandallFlagg (Uninstall Fascist Firefox. Get Pale Moon.)
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