Posted on 09/02/2014 6:53:51 AM PDT by C19fan
There are two kinds of vessels.
Submarines and targets..
I'm guessing Antidisestablishment was in a forward air base. In case the war went hot, all of Germany was a buffer zone, and NATO would have been lucky at that.
About five or so years ago there was a single mention of a possible surveillance innovation that would allow a satellite to actually look through the ocean to spot the submarines within.
The article was intentionally vague about the details, other than noting that this capability to see through water was useful at far greater depths than crush depth for submarines.
There has not to my knowledge been a single mention of this capability since. But if it does exist, it would make any unfriendly submarine obsolete.
“all of Germany was a buffer zone”
Oh, wow.
As for subs? Well there's a major issue to consider. The sub would have to be considerable distance from the carrier to launch a torpedo with enough payload to inflict major damage. Why? Sound travels in water. A surface to shore would inflict major damage but again one with large enough payload to do the damage would have to be considerable ways off. If you fired a Howitzer off in your living room the house would likely collapse.
Yep- have not heard anything more on the
“satellites” that can track subs under water.
I know we have the capability of tracking subs Well over
a 1000 miles with our SOSUS sensors- not sure how we
would do this near Iran— Iran will try
to over-whelm our carriers with a multiprong
attack - with help of the Chinese- and their ballistic
technology- aircraft doing feints -mines-
high speed small boats (with small range missiles)-
If -—A Big if— they get a couple of hits on one of our
carriers. It would change the conflict quickly,
(even if the hit caused minimal damage)—
When the U.S. Navy deploys a battle fleet on exercises, it takes the security of its aircraft carriers very seriously indeed.
At least a dozen warships provide a physical guard while the technical wizardry of the world's only military superpower offers an invisible shield to detect and deter any intruders.
That is the theory. Or, rather, was the theory.
American military chiefs have been left dumbstruck by an undetected Chinese submarine popping up at the heart of a recent Pacific exercise and close to the vast U.S.S. Kitty Hawk - a 1,000ft supercarrier with 4,500 personnel on board.
By the time it surfaced the 160ft Song Class diesel-electric attack submarine is understood to have sailed within viable range for launching torpedoes or missiles at the carrier.
According to senior Nato officials the incident caused consternation in the U.S. Navy.
The Americans had no idea China's fast-growing submarine fleet had reached such a level of sophistication, or that it posed such a threat.
For your viewing enjoyment, Crossroads Baker (1946). It was a Nagasaki bomb, only 23kt:
Iranian submarine sinks a US warship in the Persian Gulf. Obama will: (a) play golf (b)Send a nasty letter to the mullahs (c) have the State Department sorority girls send nasty tweets (d) beg the UN for help
Nothing said about it lately. Either it works or they gave up?
With all the excitement about people shining lasers at airplanes now, cannot imagine sailors would be keen on satellites lasing the heck out of them if they were in the area of interest.
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I have noticed several very promising military apps that did extraordinary, breakthrough things, then suddenly disappear with little or no official mention thereafter. Ordinarily, I would think they were duds, but each of them had a very successful test phase, and then nothing.
I suspect that since large parts of the defense establishment leak like a sieve, directly to our potential adversaries, that there is a significant effort to develop “aces up our sleeve”, that are kept in the same warehouse as the Ark of the Covenant, as it were.
The big threat to a carrier is going to be from the detonation of a large warhead under the hull. Not against the hull itself, but rather below it, creating a massive upwards force of water that slams into the hull, lifting it with enough force to snap the keel in two.
There are videos out there of Spruance class destroyers being sink-exed by Mk.48 ADCAP torpedos. Frightening stuff.
Missiles would be good for mission killing a carrier though. Before America was sink-exed the best information on damage to a big deck carrier came from the Forrestal fire of 1967 (and, to a lesser extent, the Enterprise one of 1969). Forrestfire had nine 2000lb bombs cook off on her armored flight deck. It killed her as a functioning carrier until repairs (in Norfolk VA), but she could still steam under her own power. However, had the fire reached her Oxygen plant (it came within 2 or 3 bulkheads) the aft 1/3 of the ship would have been blown off from keel to flightdeck ...
That is really all that matters, leaving a carrier as just a large tugboat or battering ram. No flight ops, pretty useless.
Of course, with the muzzies, it is all about symbolism, so they would go for the sinking at all costs.
Yup. It’s why this was considered a good idea at the time - Germany was going to be a writeoff anyway. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Davy_Crockett_%28nuclear_device%29
To be fair, the US Navy’s had to dumb down their sonar and reduce the power of their sonar sets - for ‘environmental concerns’. Yup, greenies crippling the military again.
Like your cat, when you get up at midnight to go pee.
“Diesel boats are very quiet under water running on batteries.”
Sound attenuation on the nuclear fleet is a top priority. For a long time our side was head and shoulders better than the Soviets in terms of running silent. Tom Clancy’s book, ‘The Hunt for Red October’ gets into this aspect of nuclear submarines.
“Crater the runway so enemy aircraft can’t use it.”
What, they weren’t expecting any friendly aircraft to return, or would they have been expected to go somewhere else?
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