Posted on 08/26/2014 9:52:12 AM PDT by a fool in paradise
Which makes CDs like every single other medium you can store information on.
Funny, my LPs are fine.
And - they sound much much better than CDs.
For years in my EE classes, I demonstrated CD vs LP on a very high end system, with audio levels precisely matched using sources that had LP and CD matches. The students were not told which was which - only that they were listening to either source A or source B.
When asked to vote, the LP never ever lost.
And - of course - some students felt that I was trying to fool them.
Oh, the EE class was in digital signal processing....so yes, I know the subject.
With CDs losing data in the 5-20 year lifespan, that makes them terrible as an “archival data” system.
They certainly were not advertised that way.
The very early CD’s had a problem with self destruct because of some of the ingredients reacting over time.
I’m pretty sure they will last longer than you can find a reader for them.
I guess that depends on how often you play them. When I was young I played certain records and cassettes so much they wore out and/or lost sound qualilty pretty fast. For that type scenario, CD's are a pretty good medium. If you are just going to store them in a drawer, then not so much.
Digital guys depend on the Nyquist theorem for reproduction fidelity, but they ignore the quantization errors. I think that that is where the media comes up short.
Voyager carries its message on a gold plated copper disk. Wonder what will remain of the message if it’s ever recovered. Might be misconstrued and start an interstellar war.
“With CDs losing data in the 5-20 year lifespan, that makes them terrible as an “archival data” system.”
I still have a lot of CD’s from the 1980’s. All playing fine.
I use mine mostly for storing pictures & data. How will they fare in that usage? Are flashdrives better?
Lois Lerner should have said that her emails are all stored on a cd . . . which degraded.
CD lifespan loss isn’t from overplay, it’s from oxidation.
Periodic backups is a time consuming and costly process. Then there is the whole “verification” of the dupe. And the storage...
Scratched records will still play. Dirty records will still play.
90 years later even.
Playing them more or playing them less isn’t the issue, since the information of the layer on the disc is read through the polycarbonate substrate. What is at issue is the reflective layer comprised of aluminum will oxidize if exposed to air, which is why the top of the disc is sealed with an acrylic layer (in the early days we used solvent based lacquering materials and then switched to UV based material for both environmental and cost issues). So depending on how what type of environment the disc is exposed to over it’s lifetime (humidity and temperature) it could last for decades.
3M (later Imation) was offering a product that guaranteed 100 years for archival purposes that was more expensive than other CD-ROMs at the time.
In any event, with the cheap cost of external/portable hard drives today it would be silly for anyone to NOT backup their CD’s on those drives and then burn copies if their original discs ever deteriorated beyond playability.
I took DSP at the USCG from an amazing teacher by the name of Hartnett. He did the same thing to demonstrate that zero insertion and digital filtering wasn’t all it was cracked up to be.
He went out and bought up huge collections of albums predicting:
1. Morons would throw treasure out the window to make way for the CD.
2. CDs would eventually be exposed for what they were, and that not everything that should be preserved on CDs, would be.
He also warned that changing media was a convenient way for a civilization to forget all kinds of important recorded history, and that governments would one day use it as a tool.
That was my point. If you want something you can play over and over for a couple of years with no loss of sound quality, CD is a good medium. If you want something that will last a much longer time and you aren't concerned about sound degredation then other mediums are better. It all depends what you are looking for. All mediums have their plusses and minuses.
All true, but for the average consumer the CD is a more sensible buy, because he is not willing to take the special care needed to protect an LP from contact with the needle [cleaning the LP, proper balance, proper cartridge damping, and so on.] And most turntables that casual consumers of music are willing to pay for would not afford sufficient protection even if he took the time and care required.
We don’t need spinning discs anymore. That is 1990s technology at best.
If you take a 1 hour video clip (mp4, avi, mpg, etc) at roughly 250mb and put it to DVD so it will play on a DVD player, it suddenly takes 4GB. Same with an album’s worth of digital audio files (even in higher audio formats than mp3).
The equipment manufacturers (which also happen to own major labels) don’t want to see the market give up the “discs”.
They don’t think people would pay $200 for a chip or “cartridge” with all of the Beatles albums on it.
Plus if you scratch a disc, it can’t be resold on the used market and you may even buy the same album you already purchased.
dvdisaster http://dvdisaster.net/en/index.html
I tested this free software by writing a full data DVD and then making a 25% backup data file.
I then took the DVD to the workbench and drilled several holes into it.
The software was able to fully recover an image of the DVD.
For important data I recommend two copies of the original data disk stored in different locations and two copies of the recovery data also stored in different locations.
Protecting your important data is not easy, cheap or fun.
But losing that data is even less fun :-(
Large hard drives are getting really cheap so it is a good idea to always buy two identical drives and store the same data on both. It is very unlikely that both drives will ever fail at the same time (Unless you work at the IRS)
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