Posted on 08/20/2014 6:25:16 PM PDT by TigerClaws
WARNING: GRAPHIC VIOLENCE, LANGUAGE.
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The last two were probably unnecessary but if it were me I would have emptied my mag.
How many were necessary? Do you know which round, or rounds actually stopped him? Easy to come to that conclusion watching a video on a computer. I think it might be a little different when you have a crazy guy coming at you with a knife.
Doesn’t take much to stick a knife into someone.
If he looks like he might be reaching for a different weapon while he’s on the ground, that does merit additional shots.
If he reaches for and pulls out a gun, yeah, there’s a lot he can do.
As for your curiosity, YES, I’ve had live fire training with rubber bullets against “bad guys” with blanks.
No video crap.
Went thru multiple spontaneous scenarios. (no scripts)
I never said they shouldn’t shoot, or suggest they try talking him down with candy.
So, get over yourself.
Turn up your volume...."Shoot me now, shoot me know" as he walked right at them, after told to drop the knife and stop repeatedly....
I counted 11, and there were two firing, plus the guy was 8 feet or so away. I think that’s reasonable. Maybe the last shot was not absolutely needed, but it sounded like all the shots were within 2 seconds, maybe 3.
Er...”Shoot me now, shoot me now”
He was told to stop repeatedly...
Clearly suicide by cop...
When he’s down on the ground, “more” is unnecessary.
You might want to view the video again.
For reference - Taser being fired repeatedly, utterly failing to bring down very large man:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwyfYLg0HzE
Taser didn’t take this guy down either despite repeated shots:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUjTk98ZZpY
It’s not just huge buff guys that can shrug off Tasers either:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpbbANEYQXE
Even skinny white/Hispanic dudes:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFstV82kLvk
Tasers are valuable tools, but they aren’t god-weapons, and they’re nowhere near as effective as the maker claims. Apparently a significant portion of the populace has central nervous systems that resist or even ignore the Taser’s electroshock technique. That’s even before we start throwing in the effects of illegal or even legal pharmaceuticals.
I was answering your statement about ‘guy on the ground not being able to do much’. As I said in a prior post, the video is not clear enough to tell if he looked like he might have been reaching for another weapon. If he was, the last two shots aren’t questionable at all.
“Ya, “REALLY”! I never said they should not have shot him. I said “overkill”, which means “more shots than were necessary”.”
I understand you’ve gotten several replies, and the discussion is a bit heated, but please bear with me for a moment. Go back to my question regarding self-defense or medical training. Had much of either?
The reason I ask is there is a lot of misconception floating around FR right now about firearms, and gunshot wounds. So I’m curious as to your level of experience, and whether you’re making an informed statement or are merely falling prey to common uninformed myths.
Your statement about more shots than necessary could mean any number of things. If you haven’t got the faintest clue about what a gunshot wound does physically to a body, then you might be mistakenly thinking that a single shot is sufficient and anything more is “overkill”. If you have some significant level of experience, you might potentially be making a semi-coherent point about the final couple of shots, though there’s some real shaky ground there to plant an ideological flag on.
I provided a partial answer in post #45 to you.
I don’t have any misconceptions.
There were about 11 shots.
I’ve had plenty of self-defense training, with and without firearms.
The limited combat medical training is compensated by watching the endurance of wounded animals, resulting from newbee hunters.
I’m responding to what I saw in the video, not what might have been.
The guy was on the ground, stopped, and the shots kept coming.
My CCW is a .45.
Couldn’t understand a word he said.
“So, get over yourself.”
You replied as I was typing my last post.
I’d advise a little more civility on your part, but as I said it takes all kinds.
“When he’s down on the ground, “more” is unnecessary.”
Sometimes. Sometimes not. A person on the ground can still kill. If you don’t realize that, then you’ve got bigger problems.
In the case of the video, the man with the knife is still moving towards the officers during the entirety of the shooting, even during the last two rounds, even though he is falling. Momentum, or perhaps ill-will, is still carrying him towards the officers, in fact he appears as if he rolls into one officer’s legs as the last shot is fired.
I suspect if you’d been placed in the shoes of that officer, and a man with a knife ended up wrapped around your legs, you’d feel pretty damned stupid if you had just called “good enough for government work” after the first shot or four. Ground-game with a wounded man and his knife... yeah not a warm-fuzzy thought.
As I said in my last post, a semi-coherent point could be made about the last shot or two potentially being excessive, but that’s real a stretch.
Thanks! Very informative. I may have been responding based on the narrator repeating “he cooda ben tazed!”
I know that if by some chance that was me there I’d want something like a .45 or a 10 with +P hollow points with a crazed knife wielder intent on suicide! Or maybe an MP5...
I react with “more civility” if I weren’t treated as though you’re only one with any real world experience.
It doesn’t help to mix generalities in with observable facts, such as “sometimes. Sometimes not.” as we’re only discussing this time.
I made the “overkill” statement because my assessment is that they continued to fire after the threat was stopped.
And, yes, I specifically put myself in the cops position, before making that statement.
And, yes, I’m guilty of not making clear in my initial post, exactly what I considered “overkill”.
Moral of the story:
.
“Never advance on a cop with a weapon”.
Good shoot...
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