Posted on 08/19/2014 2:00:40 AM PDT by idov
I’m out of here. You are a moron.
You mean the victims of the wicked people Jesus predicted would come falsely claiming association with Him? No one who murders has any place in God’s kingdom. There are many degenerate hearts who have by birth been labeled Christian. But Jesus taught that without a new birth in the spirit, that person is nothing but an imposter. It is a fallacy to confuse the fallible labels we make for ourselves with the divine act of creating new hearts. Paul was an avid killer of Christians until he became one.
BTW, I have been to Israel. Not with a tour group. I went on my own. It is a wonderful place.
Peace,
SR
Ramsay dug up facts, evidence which confirmed the NT historical accounts. Linguists can infer all day long based on a bad premise. Archaeologists dig up facts based on historical leads. That is hard physical evidence.
This is disproved easily, as Philo, who died before the destruction of the Temple, and Josephus, who lived through it, report the tradition of the synagogue as a house of prayer:
"Another Greek name for synagogue in use among Hellenistic Jews, is proseuké, shortened after the analogy of sunagogé, from oikos proseukos, house of prayer (cf. Philo, "In Flacc.", §§6, 7; "Ad Gaium", §§20, 23, 43)."
"The Latinized proseucha of Juvenal (Sat., III, 296) means the Jewish house of prayer or synagogue. Josephus (Antiq., XVI, vi, 2) cites an edict of Augustus which calls the Synagogue sabbateíon, the Sabbath-house."
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/14379b.htm
From the same link:
"The Jerusalem Talmud (in Ex., xviii, 20) dates it from the time of Moses; so, too, the tradition of the Alexandrian Jews, according to the witness of Philo, "De Vita Mosis" (III, 27) and Josephus, "Contra Apion." (II, 17)."
Even if one disputes the Jewish tradition that the synagogues always existed, one cannot dispute that they existed as "houses of prayer" prior to 70AD.
In response directly to Zeitlin:
"[I]t would be misleading to claim with Zeitlin that the synagogue was originally "not religious but secular," for we now realize that in such a traditional agrarian society our modern distinctions of "religions" and "political" and "economic" dimensions of life were not yet specified, let alone "institutionally differentiated." Thus, as Safrai states, the synagogue was "the people, the community, the congregation and the place where they assembled" to conduct community affairs... or reading of the Torah." (Evolution of the Synagogue: Problems and Progress, http://books.google.com/books?id=lY8yupzDeJwC&pg=PA55&lpg=PA55&dq=Solomon+Zeitlin+synagogue&source=bl&ots=cK9Cl1nK3N&sig=WLyS-pHkcGPf5jQKKrcpIPHg6Bg&hl=en&sa=X&ei=IdfzU8HyOoeG8gGjrIDIAg&ved=0CDUQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=Solomon%20Zeitlin%20synagogue&f=false, page 55)
I will be glad to tell your blog followers how you used “parasite” “cancer” and “social disease” to sterotype an entire religion and culture.
Perhaps self examination is in order Sir. Look at your words and let me know if they are any different from those used by one of history’s greatest tormentors of your people.
By the way, you did not provide a citation for that quote from Zeitlin. I forgot to mention in my refutation that you might have made the quotation up, as it seems really stupid to claim that they were not known as houses of prayer prior to 70AD when Josephus and Philo both say as much.
Oh, well, those 'houses of prayer' look exactly like synagogues and the most ancient are not in Israel. Which would make sense - When an Hebrew community is too far away to get to the Temple, the synagogue sufficed. And what of those close by? a mere two days walk from Jerusalem... Still within Israel... Do you think they gathered at Jerusalem every Shabbat?
Who’s talking about Isaiah?
I was... in the same breath with Daniel... The oldest extant complete Hebrew documents on the planet are those two books. Centuries before the birth of Yeshua, BOTH predict him. Daniel by exact date, and Isaiah by name. The proof is in the prophecy.
Daniel is a fake book. He got in there because of internal politics. There were two rival groups in Israel and they fought a six year civil war costing 50,000 lives.
Source plz.
There’s one of these in every crowd!
We need a few tons of “Oh?”
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>> “Only in Israel and India does Jesus go by a Hindi name, Yeshu, which in Egypt was applied to Krishna.” <<
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“Yeshu” was an acronym created by Prushim Rabbis. His name was Yeshua, not Yeshu. It means Yehova’s Salvation.
The acronym was of “Yimach Shimo Vezichro.” “Let his name be forgotten and never remembered.” Every educated Rabbi on Earth knows this quite well; where did you lose your way?
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And Mao exceeded that number by multiples in his lifespan. Does that mean Mao was really a closet Christian?
There is no Christian doctrine calling for murder. And as for the Crusades, if you had any knowledge of history, you would thank whatever God you claim that they were fought. The Crusades were a defensive response to the original Islamic hordes who are tasked by the demon they serve to slay all unbelievers.
I guess it’s alright for the slaves of Islam to kill your people and enslave them for centuries. And there’s no reason to accept that Christians helped establish Israel in the modern era and are it’s largest supporters.
I also guess that you are fine with blood libel, since we are to pay for the sins of our (supposed) fathers.
If you don’t know what he is talking about, you need to re-read his post; he explained it quote well.
He demolished your entire treatise in a few sentences.
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LOL!
>> “I’m out of here” <<
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You should be! - Your crap was defeated in WW II.
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So making excuses for calling Christians parasites
Yet it is present far before that idov - Joshua (Yeshu) long before the greeks.
True Christians have risked their lives for Jews - you ignore that too. And those who claimed 'christian' have been judged and brought to justice in one form or another.
Muller is another late 19th century secularist - he was condemned as being anti-Christian. The Hebrew prophets predate Zeus and Apollo by centuries idov. BTW, the hebrew prophets considered the false gods like them to be empty words.
You really should get to the 21st century with the rest of us.
BTW - your reliance upon atheists and humanists show that you are an atheist - though you deny it here.
well, bye
And who yet shows Himself alive in the hearts and lives of those who trust and obey Him! To God be the glory. Plenty of video testimonies here .
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