Free Republic
Browse · Search
General/Chat
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

The Battle of Midway
Self | June 4, 2014 | Self

Posted on 06/04/2014 7:50:32 PM PDT by Retain Mike

click here to read article


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-50 next last
To: smokingfrog
If you ever get to Fredericksburg, Texas, be sure to check out the Nimitz Museum.

I was there in April. The reason that it is located in Fredericksburg, 1300 miles from the Pacific, is that it is the home of Chester Nimitz, who left the hotel business to become a sailor.

If you're there at mealtime, head for Wheeler's Restaurant, a couple blocks away on Main Street--or Hauptstrasse, as they call it in Fredericksburg--for some barbecue or German sausage washed down with local Pedernales beer.

21 posted on 06/04/2014 9:24:21 PM PDT by Fiji Hill
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: smokingfrog

Against German and Japanese aircraft, the Brewster Buffalo was junk, but the Finns used it effectively against Soviet aircraft.


22 posted on 06/04/2014 9:27:39 PM PDT by Fiji Hill
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 18 | View Replies]

To: GeronL

There were actually a couple of Finns that became air aces flying Buffalos. I guess that tells you how bad the Soviet planes were. I’m still trying to figure out how the Finns came to be flying Buffalos. We must have sold them to Finland before the war started.


23 posted on 06/04/2014 9:33:56 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 20 | View Replies]

To: GeronL

The article overstates our peril. Those numbers of Japanese vessels were spread around in three different groups. The aircraft that “didn’t reach the carriers, but attacked a battleship” must have been going south, because there weren’t any battleships with the carrier fleet. The Buffalos were Marine aircraft based on Midway, not on the carriers, etc.

Parshall and Tulley’s recent book “Shattered Sword” is probably the most accurate account of the battle, and makes it clear that it was a near thing, but not Gordon Prange’s “Miracle”. Essentially, when our TBD’s jumped them before they could find us, the battle was over.


24 posted on 06/04/2014 9:34:56 PM PDT by ArmstedFragg (Hoaxey Dopey Changey)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 20 | View Replies]

To: ArmstedFragg

apparently finding each other was a tough thing in those days


25 posted on 06/04/2014 9:36:38 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 24 | View Replies]

To: smokingfrog
We must have sold them to Finland before the war started.

After accepting the first eleven F2A-1s -- and discovering how inadequate they were -- the Navy refused the balance of the 50-plane order.

Which was then sold to the Finns...

26 posted on 06/04/2014 9:54:06 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: Ignorance on parade.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 23 | View Replies]

To: ArmstedFragg

Sorry...SBD’s.


27 posted on 06/04/2014 10:01:43 PM PDT by ArmstedFragg (Hoaxey Dopey Changey)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 24 | View Replies]

To: okie01

Lentävä kaljapullo


28 posted on 06/04/2014 10:04:23 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 26 | View Replies]

To: GeronL

Yeah, it had to do with there being this big wet area. The signposts kept sinking. Seriously, though, you’re right, both sides had moments where luck was the primary agent.


29 posted on 06/04/2014 10:05:49 PM PDT by ArmstedFragg (Hoaxey Dopey Changey)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 25 | View Replies]

To: smokingfrog
Lentävä kaljapullo

Da Finns, dey got Sisu.

The extent of my Finnish...

30 posted on 06/04/2014 10:06:32 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: Ignorance on parade.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 28 | View Replies]

To: Retain Mike
Thanks for the post and a great summary. I always felt a Devine Hand had much to do with the success, along with a great amount of sacrifice (not to mention the inferior damage control and fighting layout of the Japanese carriers).

A good read. BTTT.
31 posted on 06/04/2014 10:07:39 PM PDT by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the Occupation Media.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Talisker
God intervened directly at Midway.

I agree. After studying and gaming the battle, I have found no other explanation. Luck just was not part of the equation.
32 posted on 06/04/2014 10:10:43 PM PDT by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the Occupation Media.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: ArmstedFragg

lol


33 posted on 06/04/2014 10:17:15 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 29 | View Replies]

To: ArmstedFragg

Well... you know... I ought to stop relying on memory.

Re: the author’s description of an attack on a battleship, I remembered that the majority of the battleships were with the main force, approaching Midway from a different direction. Nevertheless, there were two battleships with the carrier striking force, and Marine medium bombers did attack one of them (Haruna) at 5:29 in the morning.

So, I stand corrected.


34 posted on 06/04/2014 10:37:35 PM PDT by ArmstedFragg (Hoaxey Dopey Changey)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 24 | View Replies]

To: ArmstedFragg

Shattered Sword is a terrific book.

Haruna and Kirishima were attached to Kido Butai. Haruna was attacked by aircraft six times over the 4th and 5th. No hits.

Kirishima was attacked twice by aircraft and once by submarine. No hits.


35 posted on 06/04/2014 11:51:54 PM PDT by Rockpile
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 24 | View Replies]

To: okie01

The British also used some Buffalos in the defense of Malaysia.


36 posted on 06/04/2014 11:53:54 PM PDT by Rockpile
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 26 | View Replies]

To: Retain Mike
Very well written piece. Kudos!. And thanks especially for the bibliography...some of the sources look fascinating. I intend to delve into them later on..

Do post your D-Day piece, and kindly ping me. Thanks.

37 posted on 06/05/2014 3:28:42 AM PDT by ken5050 ("One useless man is a shame, two are a law firm, three or more are a Congress".. John Adams)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: smokingfrog

A good pilot in a mediocre plane is usually superior to a mediocre pilot in a good plane. JMO


38 posted on 06/05/2014 3:32:13 AM PDT by X Fretensis
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 23 | View Replies]

To: Hoodat

My father served on the USS Yorktown CV-5 from Dec 1940 until she was sunk at Midway. As an engineer, he was ordered back aboard her after Capt. Buckmeister (sic) realized she might be saved after her initial abandonment.
He was in #2 engine room when she was fatally wounded by torpedoes from a Japanese submarine. He spent the rest of WWII onboard the USS West Virginia BB-48.


39 posted on 06/05/2014 3:40:48 AM PDT by X Fretensis
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: Retain Mike
A couple of years ago Johnathan Parshall and Anthony Tully came out with Shattered Sword: The Untold Story of the Battle of Midway. It's the battle told entirely from the Japanese side. Reading it the wonder is not that the U.S. won but how the Japanese did so well prior to that. It goes into the leadership, supply issues, training, organization, damage control, command and control, and tactics. An absolutely fascinating read.
40 posted on 06/05/2014 3:56:56 AM PDT by Lower Deck
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-50 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
General/Chat
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson