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Beekeeper on harsh winter: 'It's a 100% loss for me'
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Posted on 04/17/2014 10:38:54 AM PDT by chessplayer

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To: Oliviaforever
All froze -- the bees went up to the top of the super and froze in a ball.

Frustrating because I had 2 italian hives, 1 carnolian, and 1 buckfast. Of them all, the supposed miracle buckfast hive went silent first. A wild italian swarm that my wife captured two years ago lasted into March but died off in the last cold snap.

41 posted on 04/17/2014 11:38:24 AM PDT by FateAmenableToChange
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To: chessplayer

I have 2 questions. I have pot plants on my patio and I cover them or take them in the garage when it is going to freeze. Why can’t the hives be protected in the winter?

Next question. What about wild bees in cold climates, how do they survive the inter?


42 posted on 04/17/2014 11:41:25 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: Chickensoup

Must have been wintering on sunny beaches like all other snowbirds.

Around East Texas the bee keepers supplement with sugar water during the winter.


43 posted on 04/17/2014 11:41:55 AM PDT by X-spurt (CRUZ missile - armed and ready.)
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To: Ditter
I have pot plants on my patio

Seriously?

44 posted on 04/17/2014 11:52:32 AM PDT by Steely Tom (How do you feel about robbing Peter's robot?)
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To: Steely Tom

Not that kind of “pot” silly! Geraniums, Cosmos, Hibiscus, all growing in flower pots! But you knew that! ;)


45 posted on 04/17/2014 11:55:16 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: chessplayer

Impossible! global warming would have kept all those bees buzzing and happy!

This has got to be some right wing plot !

/s


46 posted on 04/17/2014 12:00:48 PM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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A friend in GA. has hives set up with internet monitoring. He has the hives on scales. He can tell when the bees return in the evenings by the weight. Also as the season progresses he can tell how much honey has been produced before he goes to the hive. Pretty cool.


47 posted on 04/17/2014 12:02:01 PM PDT by TangoLimaSierra (To win the country back, we need to be as mean as the libs say we are.)
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To: chessplayer
When we lived in Minnesota, we knew a beekeeper who trucked his bees to Florida every winter to make orange blossom honey and then back to MN to make clover honey in the summer.

Grove owners in Florida paid him quite handsomely for the use of his bees. More than enough to cover the transportation costs

48 posted on 04/17/2014 12:02:20 PM PDT by N. Theknow (Kennedys-Can't drive, can't ski, can't fly, can't skipper a boat-But they know what's best for you.)
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To: Ditter

If they have enough honey, they can keep themselves from freezing even in the harshest of climates.

Moving a hive is tricky. First, bees are very set on the exact location of their hive as they orient themselves to the exact location of their hive on their first flight. It is said you can only move a hive less than three feet or more than three miles. There are ways to encourage to bees to reorient themselves when a does have to be moved. Furthermore, if you were to take the hives inside, they would think it was spring or at least think the weather was warm and some would leave the hive for cleansing flights. Some might even leave to forage.

Beehives do survive in harsh climates, but they need food.

Beehives survive winters covered in s


49 posted on 04/17/2014 12:10:04 PM PDT by Oliviaforever
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To: FateAmenableToChange

Did you have two deeps for each hive?


50 posted on 04/17/2014 12:10:43 PM PDT by Oliviaforever
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To: N. Theknow

That may be feasible for a beekeeper with hundreds of hives, but if you only have a few it may not be worth it.

Additionally, while I understand that pollination of crops is vital, the transporting of beehives across the nation also spreads disease and mites across the country and that is the biggest threat to bees and beekeeping.


51 posted on 04/17/2014 12:15:56 PM PDT by Oliviaforever
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To: Oliviaforever

To my knowledge, you can move a hive between 18-24 inches a day otherwise, like you say they have to be buttoned up and moved over two miles away and left there for a few weeks before “coming home” to their new location on the keepers property.


52 posted on 04/17/2014 12:20:53 PM PDT by Ghost of SVR4 (So many are so hopelessly dependent on the government that they will fight to protect it.)
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To: chessplayer
This may be a stupid question but why couldn't a heated enclosure be constructed around the hives during harsh winters?
53 posted on 04/17/2014 12:51:23 PM PDT by Henri Gaudier-Brzeska
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To: US Navy Vet

Thanks for info interesting.


54 posted on 04/17/2014 1:06:19 PM PDT by ThisLittleLightofMine
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To: Oliviaforever

So at the end of the honey making season you should not collect that last batch of honey?


55 posted on 04/17/2014 1:09:24 PM PDT by Ditter
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To: Oliviaforever

If they have enough honey, they can keep themselves from freezing even in the harshest of climates.


Yup. But in a never ending winter like this one, the poor little critters go through their entire food store long before it warms up. Where I am, we just got dumped on by another huge snow storm. The poor robins came back too soon and are absolutely frantic trying to find food. By the time this latest snow melts, I suspect they will all be dead of starvation.


56 posted on 04/17/2014 1:19:13 PM PDT by chessplayer
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To: Ditter

The honey belongs to the bees. We only take what is extra.

I will freeze one full super of honey for every three hives and add frames if needed in the winter. If they do not consume it, I harvest it for myself.


57 posted on 04/17/2014 1:35:29 PM PDT by Oliviaforever
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To: Ghost of SVR4

“He says, in a normal winter, a hive needs about 60 pounds of honey. “And they just eat the food and then shiver their muscles (to create heat) and huddle together so they are warm enough, and they don’t get frozen.”

“But, this was no normal winter. And it also followed a very poor goldenrod season, a plant many honeybees use to make honey.”

“If they run out of food - which most likely is what happened this winter just because it’s cooler than usual, they would use more food,” says Huang. “And when they run out of food, they’re dead.”

“Huang says probably only one in ten of his hives survived the cold.”
http://michiganradio.org/post/harsh-winter-killed-many-michigans-honeybees

Wow. With a bad goldenrod season, the bees food pantry was probably already below normal before winter even started.


58 posted on 04/17/2014 1:43:26 PM PDT by chessplayer
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Why didn’t he move the bees into the green house? He could have thrown a heater in the green house and kept the temperature at 25 degrees. I think he only has himself to blame.


59 posted on 04/17/2014 2:01:46 PM PDT by Sawdring
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To: Oliviaforever

Producing heat requires energy, so I presume the less exposed and more insulated the hive is, the less likely it is to run out of fuel.


60 posted on 04/17/2014 2:12:09 PM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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