Posted on 03/12/2014 9:59:26 AM PDT by pgyanke
“Heck, yesterday I read a post here on FR that the GOPe has been talking about another possible Romney campaign. “
Romney is testing the water. He didn’t want to win last time. How would he run against Obamacare when it was modeled after a program he invented? Bad choice. But whether he runs has more to do with political clout and money than anything else. Both Dole and McCain were able to run because they had collected enough IOU’s and it was “their turn” and their last chance. Romney became the candidate because even when he was dead last the MSM prefaced everything they said about him with, “Mitt Romney the GOP frontrunner...”
You missed the point of my original post above. There was a chance for it as a winning issue because they meant to pin the problems on corporate America against the average citizen... and hang that around the neck of the GOP like a flaming tire ("necklacing").
I never said the program itself would succeed. In fact, it was meant to fail. In failure, if they successfully blamed corporate America, they could ride in as savior with single-payer. This was never meant to be anything but a vehicle to single-payer. This is where they failed, though. It is clear that the fault in the healthcare system is the law itself, not corporate America.
I understood your point just fine, I’m pointing out that you were incorrect. If they thought it had the potential for a winning issue they wouldn’t have delayed its implementation until after the 2012 election. The plan shows they KNEW it wasn’t a winning issue.
We're dealing with this in NC in this go around. Tom Tillis is the GOPe candidate for Kay Hagan's senate seat. There is a strong conservative candidate in Greg Brannon who has good endorsements and polls well going into this primary. Then there are other more opportunistic conservatives who think he isn't good enough who are announcing runs as well. All that does it take support away from our top guy. God help us.
No, you didn't and I'm not. I'm in the financial industry and I have been watching this train wreck unfold since the beginning.
The timing was driven by their goals. They wanted to show successes going into the 2012 and then begin the implementation in 2013 which would result in insurance companies doing bad things to people (canceling policies, raising rates, et al).
Take a look at their official timeline here and click on the early years. The things that took effect early were meant to make them look good. When they began to eventually implement the actual coverage, they meant to make others look bad.
Sorry but you’re just plain wrong on this. I’ve explained my point multiple times, you’ve explained yours, you’re still wrong, you still don’t believe me. Time to part friends.
Tell us something we don’t know.
If you wish to continue the conversation, feel free to show how I am wrong and we'll discuss it. If you wish to discontinue the conversation, walking away while telling me I am wrong multiple times is childish. You get the last word in a debate by making the best point not by telling your compatriot he's wrong and ending the conversation.
Friends it is.
Actual governing vs just campaigning
I would like you to tell me why you think Jolly is a RINO. Any links? Any proof?
“I would like you to tell me why you think Jolly is a RINO.”
Actually, the big indicator to me are the several articles describing him as “a moderate republican.” That’s dog whistle code for RINO. If I’m wrong, nobody will be happier than me. (Other key phrases used by the MSM is “bipartisan” and “reach across the aisle.”)
It’s not that Obamacare was ever going to be a positive, it was just meant to be a winning issue... they could use it against their enemies as a club and ride in on white, single-payer horses to rescue the downtrodden. Their implementation took away the club and has made the second more difficult (though not impossible).
And other conservatives used the botched rollout and continual changes to point out that the government could not possibly manage a single payer system.
The liberals did not like people skewering their talking points and seemed to expect a downhill ride, rather than a steep uphill slope.
And yes, I sometimes seriousl wonder if many of them are not paid democrat hacks.
So ya got "D"s along with "R"s wanting it gone ...but we have a Supreme Court that rules against us & the Constitution.
Jolly will be a back bencher for a while, with his last position in seniority. But I would expect he'll do just fine for Pinellas County.
Skillfully written. Truth is like a breath of fresh air.
It wasn’t supposed to be winning issue. It was supposed to wreck healthcare to the that Single Payer was “the only solution.”
Watch the 2016 election when the Democrat (who will be a governor) says that since ObamaCare failed, it will have to be single payer.
You didn’t read it, did you...
Please don't mention that to the party leadership. Running Romney once was enough. I don't want a stiff like Romney as our nominee a second time.
You're right that it was designed to fail. It just wasn't expected to fail so utterly and immediately. The point was to get the camel's nose under the tent, try for a few years until the economic consequences (that anyone sane would have predicted) were clear, then throw up their hands and say, "we TRIED to do a market-based approach [ed. - HA!] but it failed, so we have to go to single-payer."
We just want competition. We want to be able to shop across state lines. We want health insurers to compete for our business.
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