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To: fruser1
It would be quite wrong to defend Jackson on the Indian expulsions of the 1830's on any grounds.

Jackson is the "model"

These people were not enemies of, or belligerents against, the United States. They weren't even so culturally different from their Euro-American neighbors. They held legal title to their lands, farmed, used plows, harrows and wagons pulled by horses and mules, ran sawmills, grain mills and printing presses, sang Christian hymns in their Christian churches. They were lawful, hard-working, sober and productive.


George W. Harkins, Choctaw


Cherokee Principal Chief John Ross


Betsy Stephens, Cherokee


Marcia Pascal, Cherokee

This was an ethnic cleansing Holder and Obama can only dream of.

61 posted on 03/05/2014 7:22:05 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Woe to them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Like the european colonialization, U.S. expansion in this time period was a run for resources.

That’s what the “modern” countries did back then. In this instance, the Cherokee lost. They had prior sovereignty agreements, which were violated. I don’t dispute that.

What I dispute is making some type of moral judgement against the victor for coming out on top of the conflict.
That somehow, just because they “lost”, the Indians were somehow more human than human.

Had roles been reversed, meaning, Europeans living in the stone age w/Indians being the colonizers, do you think it would’ve gone differently for the weaker side? I doubt it.

Quibbling over the treatment of the defeated by the victor in conflicts of the past seems to me to be just a way of modern propagandists to claim the U.S. is “bad” and therefore must change, which always seems to be in a direction of communism strangely enough.

I’m not buying it.

Throughout history, crappy things have happened to all sorts of folks.

AJ is on the bill for his positive contributions to U.S. history (maybe because it’s U.S, currency), not for his contribution to Cherokee history. If the Cherokee come up w/their own currency, they can put who they want on it.

Even if it’s someone who was mean to white folks.


66 posted on 03/05/2014 8:43:07 AM PST by fruser1
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