Posted on 02/18/2014 7:09:02 AM PST by metmom
Catholics are divided on issues such as divorce and birth control amid widespread resentment at Church teachings among believers, two separate surveys have revealed.
In a rare bid for openness, the Vatican sent out a survey to parishes around the world in November, ahead of a synod due to discuss the family this October.
Results from several countries have now been released, showing that, in Switzerland, 90 per cent of respondents demanded the Church lifts its refusal to give communion to divorcees who remarry.
Results are also in from Germany, where bishops said the survey showed that Catholics view the communion ban for divorcees as "unjustified discrimination and ... merciless". German respondents also rejected Church bans on premarital and gay sex and birth control.
Church-backed news service SIR reported that Swiss respondents were in "dramatic disagreement" with the Church's ban on contraception, while the Catholic Church in Luxembourg warned results from the survey were "alarming" and showed the importance given to church teaching was in "free fall".
(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...
But it is correct in reporting the condition of Catholics, which RCs regularly deny here, or attempt to exclude the liberals whom Rome treats as her own.
For years when i posted them .
But you are not the magisterium, and Rome treats them as members in life and death, even public examples as Teddy K.
They are yours and you must own them, as you preach a church, and cannot formally seperate as Evangelicals have, without being in schism. But the church began in dissent from those, who like Rome, presumed of themselves above that which is written.
Before the Vatican ACTUALLY did its OWN poll, they would blow off every poll and survey that came down the pike.
They had to – really. To even acknowledge or lend any credence whatsoever to the results of past surveys would be to admit that there has been a never before in the life of the Church anything like it collapse of the faith.
That would immediately necessitate a conversation of how this happened, which would lead directly back to the bishops...Every excuse in the books – anything to deny, lie or refuse to comply with the truth.
Well, they can’t do that ANY MORE. These are the Vatican’s OWN OFFICIAL numbers – and they show – heck in some cases – results EVEN WORSE than originally thought...
So consider the whole picture. On the one hand, we have an official Church survey PROVING what we have long known – global apostasy as John Paul termed it.
And then we have prominent Church leaders who couldn’t care less and who come out and say it publicly. They are more concerned with the press ASKING about IT then they are with the actual IT.
Nothing new here. This is what RCs keep denying when i provide the evidence: /RC-Stats_vs._Evang
Where Truth is taught- with much error , even extending to Bible scholarship , and which works to make truth void.
There is nothing controversial about that statement, except in the minds of superior-types who know it all.
Any "Christian" who doesn't believe what the Bible says is not actually Christian.
(Well; they COULD be; but merely DECEIVED in some area or another.)
The bad news is a larger number will just turn their backs on Christianity.
Yes, conforming for sure. Read article the other day where they are allowing ‘special prayers’ for homosexuals after their ceremonies. Believe that’s in Europe somewhere...the Priests will perform these special prayers, but they insist these are NOT a blessing.
‘Skirting the edges’ without actually sanctifying the unions of homosexuals....who do they think they’re kidding!
You really love those straw men, don’t you?
That is what I was thinking too.
I am not the Catholic Church. I cannot speak for them but I do know that in similar circumstances, the Church has granted annulments. pelosi and kennedy are exactly who I was thinking of when I read this article. It seems to me that they are indeed going against GOD’s words.
“Catholics ‘divided on issues such as divorce and birth control’”
That is the basis for my comment. I get my faith in the truth from GOD and HIS word as it appears in the Bible... with regards to the two issues listed above and any other in vogue sins of the day.
Like I said earlier in another response in this thread... I am incapable of speaking for the Catholic Church but any Christian that thinks that modern societal norms as professed by the media and pop culture, will change the LAWS OF GOD because they fit with their vision of what life should be... are going against GOD’s word. That is all that I meant.
More people need to focus on CHRIST and less on any particular denomination. Every day that passes, we get closer to the Trumpet.
-— More people need to focus on CHRIST and less on any particular denomination -—
Focusing on Christ includes obeying His command to “listen to the church.”
We should always focus on Christ. Often theological disagreements are based in this very thing. The greatest disagreement between Bible based Christians and Roman Catholics is whether the willing sacrifice Jesus Christ made was sufficient. IOW are we saved by Grace Alone through Faith Alone in Christ Alone, or must we perform works which God must then reward.
Yeah.
I can recycle them SO easily.
But the church shows what she believes by her actions, and her actions reprove tradional type RCs who exclude those she treats as members. Ted Kennedy was your brother, and even received an apostolic blessing from the pope before his death, with no apparent censure at all. And an ecclesiastical funeral,.
"Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works." (James 2:18)
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