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On Your Side: Law enforcement seizes money without arrest
MyNews4.com ^ | February 5, 2014 | MyNews4.com

Posted on 02/06/2014 10:34:43 AM PST by Altariel

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To: IC Ken

Based on what though? My house is worth more than 10k, so they can take that too? At what point does the constitution allow for illegal search and seizure based on value?


41 posted on 02/06/2014 11:11:58 AM PST by fuzzylogic (welfare state = sharing consequences of poor moral choices among everybody)
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To: Altariel

No, I meant $5,000. All $500 of his money will be returned. Cops are corrupt. It’s been an on-going joke in posts here.


42 posted on 02/06/2014 11:12:00 AM PST by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral)
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To: TurboZamboni

I’m sure the guy will be happy when his $500 is finally returned to him.


43 posted on 02/06/2014 11:12:56 AM PST by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral)
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To: Altariel
No the program was created to try to contain stupid.

The odds are this guy was involved in the drug trade and should be rotting in Levenworth for the next 50 years. My guess is the officers had inside or NSA information before they ever stopped him.

But constitutional rights and due process of law should apply. Because if they can seize property from a drug user without court oversight or due process, then they can seize it from you and me too.

44 posted on 02/06/2014 11:14:19 AM PST by DannyTN
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To: Altariel
No the program was created to try to contain stupid.

The odds are this guy was involved in the drug trade and should be rotting in Levenworth for the next 50 years. My guess is the officers had inside or NSA information before they ever stopped him.

But constitutional rights and due process of law should apply. Because if they can seize property from a drug user without court oversight or due process, then they can seize it from you and me too.

45 posted on 02/06/2014 11:14:20 AM PST by DannyTN
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To: Altariel

It’s not what you think it’s what you can prove!


46 posted on 02/06/2014 11:14:20 AM PST by plainshame
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To: DannyTN
The whole program is an over-reach of authority. The Constitution doesn't give Congress power to make laws about drugs. That's a police power reserved for the States.

Put the fed back in the Constitutional box.

The federal war on drugs has gutted the 4th amendment.

/johnny

47 posted on 02/06/2014 11:16:13 AM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Altariel

Good thing Mr Nguyen didn’t have a dog with him - it would have been shot, in all likelihood.


48 posted on 02/06/2014 11:18:28 AM PST by bkopto (Free men are not equal. Equal men are not free.)
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To: ScottinVA
Cops are required to REQUEST to search the vehicle... so what happens if the driver had said “no?”

"Then we'll have to get a warrant. That will take some number of hours, because [plausible, impossible-to-disprove reason goes here], and you'll have to stay here the whole time..."

50 posted on 02/06/2014 11:19:04 AM PST by jiggyboy (Ten percent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: DannyTN
I sometimes have as much as $20K on me and I'm certainly not involved in the drug trade.

I'm glad that you grudgingly admit that the Constitution should apply.

Congress has no Constitutional mandate to 'contain stupid'.

/johnny

51 posted on 02/06/2014 11:19:44 AM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: DannyTN

The odds are that the officers involved likely have committed more crimes than their victim.

No crime was committed, therefore, the money was not theirs to take.

Police today are taking a page out of the Sheriff of Nottingham’s playbook.


52 posted on 02/06/2014 11:22:08 AM PST by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: JRandomFreeper

Bigger governemnt is justified when it’s ‘our’ federal government.

We can double the size of the IRS/NSA when we have a republican Congress and president.

What could possibly go wrong?


53 posted on 02/06/2014 11:22:13 AM PST by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad and lived with his parents .)
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To: lowbridge

Give them some credit. They didn’t just think it, they “felt it” too. Air tight case, if you think and feel something’s illegal, it must be. What more proof do you need? Can’t believe they didn’t arrest the guy on the spot. /s


54 posted on 02/06/2014 11:23:37 AM PST by Hoffer Rand (If you like your plan, you can keep your plan. *Asterisk.*)
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To: puppypusher

These violations of the Constitution have to stop,and it’s up to the courts to stop them hard.

Which would work it the judges and the court system weren’t corrupt too. If every one involved in the process is tainted you have no rule of law anymore.


55 posted on 02/06/2014 11:24:09 AM PST by jsanders2001
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To: jsanders2001

Louisiana cops on I-10 have a history of stopping out-of-state cars and seizing money, cars. No charges are ever filed, and you have to go to court to fight to get your money back. 60 Minutes did a story about this but it still takes place.

This is why cops oppose ending the so-called “War On Drugs”. It is a money making scheme.


56 posted on 02/06/2014 11:26:30 AM PST by rstrahan
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To: jsanders2001

These days, we have one law for the Elites and the Knights of the Realm, one law for the Mundanes.


57 posted on 02/06/2014 11:26:33 AM PST by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: fuzzylogic

“Sorry, so there’s “a smell”, cop says it was marijuana....not buying it. If there’s no arrest this is theft plain and simple.”

You and I both know it is, but under the law, it’s not. The smell triggers the search, whether there’s an actual smell or not at the time of the stop, we don’t know, maybe there is, maybe there isn’t.

But the reason that will be given by the police will be that they smelled marijuana and that triggers the search.

Now for the sake of argument, say the item seized wasn’t cash but jewelry. Say the guy had a bag of high end jewelry in his car and couldn’t in some way provide proof of ownership. Would the police be remiss in seizing the jewelry because it may be stolen?

This is how the thinking goes. I may not agree with it, but that’s how it goes.


58 posted on 02/06/2014 11:27:20 AM PST by Stormdog (A rifle transforms one from subject to Citizen)
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To: DesScorp

Today, most law enforcement is about revenue generation first priority.

Solving crime, serving the public, setting things right.......all incidentals in the line of duty.


59 posted on 02/06/2014 11:28:04 AM PST by FAA
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To: Bizhvywt

Just say no. Make them get a warrant.


60 posted on 02/06/2014 11:28:20 AM PST by Resolute Conservative
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