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To: workerbee

I’m not sure where to start?


2 posted on 02/05/2014 5:32:10 PM PST by fso301
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I’m not sure where to start?

That's why I haven't posted my 2 cents worth, including mandatory snide remark about Fx News.

8 posted on 02/05/2014 5:40:09 PM PST by Amendment10
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To: fso301; workerbee; Gamecock

Why Am I not surprised. God’s word is true, so their research is faulty, and that’s eventually going to be how it ends up... it always does.


24 posted on 02/05/2014 5:57:07 PM PST by Kackikat
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I’m not sure where to start?

camels, 45

Gen. 12:16, Gen. 24:10-11 (3), Gen. 24:14, Gen. 24:19-20 (2), Gen. 24:22, Gen. 24:30-32 (4), Gen. 24:35, Gen. 24:44, Gen. 24:46 (2), Gen. 24:61, Gen. 24:63, Gen. 30:43, Gen. 31:17, Gen. 32:7, Gen. 32:15, Gen. 37:25, Exo. 9:3, Jdg. 6:5, Jdg. 7:12, 1Sa. 27:9, 1Sa. 30:17, 1Ki. 10:2, 1Ch. 5:21, 1Ch. 12:40, 1Ch. 27:30, 2Ch. 9:1, 2Ch. 14:15, Ezr. 2:67, Neh. 7:69, Job. 1:3, Job. 1:17, Job. 42:12, Isa. 21:7, Isa. 60:6 (2), Jer. 49:29, Jer. 49:32, Eze. 25:5

camel, 5

Gen. 24:64, Lev. 11:4, Deu. 14:7, 1Sa. 15:3, Zec. 14:15

camels’, 3

Jdg. 8:21, Jdg. 8:26, 2Ki. 8:9

camel’s, 1

Gen. 31:34

http://archaeology.about.com/od/cterms/g/camels.htm: Evidence for the domestication of Bactrian camels has been found as early as 2600 BC at Shar-i Sokhta (also known as the Burnt City), Iran.

Dromedaries may have first been domesticated by humans in Somalia and southern Arabia, around 3,000 BC, the Bactrian in central Asia around 2,500 BC,[14][62][63][64]

http://bibleapologetics.wordpress.com/2011/04/24/were-camels-domesticated-in-the-time-of-abraham/ [10] ‘Both the dromedary (the one-humped camel of Arabia) and the Bactrian camel (the two-humped camel of Central Asia) had been domesticated since before 2000 BC.’, Scarre, ‘Smithsonian Timelines of the Ancient World’, p. 176 (1993).

[11] ‘As far as hard dates go, the 2500-1500 B.C. suggested earlier for the introduction of the camel into Somalia is the best that can be done from available data. Given the stage domestication had reached by the time the camels and their owners crossed the sea, some additional time must be allowed for earlier stages. Taking this into consideration, it is easily conceivable that the domestication process first got underway between 3000 and 2500 B.C.’, Bulliet, ‘The Camel and the Wheel’, p. 56 (1990 ed., originally published 1975).

[12] ‘Found in a context datable to 2700 B.C., the remains led the excavators to argue that camel domestication began in Turkmenia and spread south (Compagnoni and Tosi 1978: 95–99). The domestic camel was apparently known to the inhabitants of the Indus Valley Civilization by 2300 B.C., although the species utilized remains open to question (Meadow 1984: 134 and references).’, Zarins, ‘Camel’, in Freedman (ed.), Anchor Yale Bible Dictionary (electronic ed. 1996).

[13] ‘Archeological discoveries have now shown clearly that references to domesticated camels in Genesis are by no means anachronistic, as some earlier scholars supposed. While camel caravans seem to have been used regularly only from the Late Bronze Age onward, archeologists have found numerous bones of domesticated camels. Thus when Parrot was excavating Mari, he found camel bones in the ruins of a house dated in the pre-Sargonic period (ca 2400 B.C.). An eighteenth-century-B.C. relief from Byblos pictured a camel in a kneeling position, and a socket on the back showed that the animal’s hump and its load had been attached separately. In accord with patriarchal traditions, cylinder seals from Middle Bronze Age Mesopotamia showed riders seated upon camels.’, Harrison, ‘Genesis’, in Bromiley (ed.), International Standard Bible Encyclopedia, volume 3, p. 547 (rev. ed. 1988).

[14] ‘Excavations in eastern Arabia, an area once believed to be a cultural backwater unworthy of archaeological investigation, have turned up evidence that camels were first domesticated by Semites before the time of Abraham. Much of this evidence has been examined by M. C. A. MacDonald of the Oriental Faculty at the University of Oxford’, Caesar, ‘Bible and Spade (13.77), 2000.

[25] ‘However, there is now a growing body of scholars who believe that camel domestication must have occurred earlier than previously thought (prior to the 12th century BC) and that the patriarchal narratives accurately reflect this (e.g., Ripinsky 1984; Coote and Whitelam 1987: 102; Zarins 1992: 826; Borowski 1998: 112–18).’, Younker, ‘Bronze Age Camel Petroglyphs In The Wadi Nasib, Sinai’, Bible and Spade (13.75), 2000.

Richard W. Bulliet, "The Camel and the Wheel," pp. 64,65 : These five pieces of evidence, needless to say, may not convince everyone that the domestic camel was known in Egypt and the middle east on an occasional basis between 2500 and 1400 BC. Other early depictions, alleged to be of camels which look to my eyes like dogs, donkeys, horses, dragons, or even pelicans, might be more convincing to some then the examples described above...

It means simply that in the nineteenth and eighteenth centuries BC when Abraham and his immediate descendents appeared to have lived, camels were already known in small numbers in the northwest corner of the Arabian desert where the Western Arabian trade route branched out to go to Egypt or further into Syria. Local tribes in the area may have owned a few of the animals, perhaps as articles of prestige, without being heavily involved in breeding them. (Transcribed using speech to text software.)

69 posted on 02/06/2014 9:11:47 AM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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