Thoughts on the Coke commercial?

[Vendome]

I don’t think you did but, that bit of history and cultures should end any idiotic ideas about what we know as Mexico and how the native tribes operated.

Further, even if one were to argue over the Mexico and give back central Mexico to the Aztecs or whoever might claim lineage, then they would have to argue about the other “mini-states” where the Aztecs had their foot print but, NOT under on central Aztec government.

I say we start arguing over Guatemala first. They are certainly more germain to a discussion by any honest or knowledgable person on Aztec empires and heck, even the Mayans.

Then again, what argument of the other tribes?

Right now, in Mexico, there are some 65+ native peoples which are unique and distinctly seperate from each other “If we take away modern technologies that allow them to communicate with each other”.

What case would be made for them and by whom?

If they are not Mexican and many, many senthetic Mexican Americans want to give this land back to the “The Mexicans”, then who the hell are those people?

We can’t say it’s the Aztecs. Their sphere of influence comprised a distinct area in Mexico and points a bit south of the southern Mexican border.

We can’t very well give it back to the Oholone. There is no one who speaks the language anymore.

Nor can we give it back to the Hopi or even the Anasazi. Where did they go?

What of the Apache or Navajo? Are they part of the wonderful pastiche of peoples known as Mexicans?

I doubt it. The Apache only came to the Southwest around the 1,400’s or there about.

So does this land belong to them? Who did they displace and what of reperations for those peoples?

Same of a few tribes that were formerly found in Canada. They were warring tribes that lost out on lands in Canada after fighting one too many losing battles and now they reside in the Black Hills and have done so for only about 200 years

No, again we go back to the collective argument; If Mexican blood were pure(it’s not) then what area, under a formal government did they administer and why did they lose it?

To my Mexican-American friends I say “Come on. You want to be on the winning team don’t you?”.

I know I do and I am.

[Vendome]

Yer welcome.

This stuff infuriates me and I have to wonder “Don’t they want to be on the winning team?”

Mexico will not be a winner in 100 more years and Canada will still swamp them.

[raybbr]

What culture are they?

OKay, you can't have it both ways. In one post you argue they are a "race" - "Clever, but when Clemenza starts rambling on about "Asiatic and Latin Hordes" he's not talking about language, he's talking about race." and then "You can't because the whole concept is purely racial."

So, what is "Latin". Is it a culture or a race? What is hispanic? Culture or a race?

[Vendome]

Because arguing for “La Raza” sounds so kitchy and fits on a bumper sticker when arguing for some romanticized fiction of a thing called Mexico, which never existed until nearly 190 years ago.

Even then, those people of Spanish heritage subjugated the native peoples they found, slaughtered them, enslaved them or put them in indentured servitude.

I am always amused when I hear “The White Man”.

“Which white man? The ones with blues and blonde hair of Gaelic and Celtic heritage or the ones with Brown eyes, Black hair of Spanish and Moorish/Andulsian(Arab) heritage?”

Do you prefer to pick on people who look like me or should one be honest about who settled these great lands once adiministered by “The White Folk”?

I usually get called four letter names and I ask them to give it a thought some time or talk among your people as you all come to some alternative world where the Spaniards never existed.

98% of Mexican Americans have never been to Spain to trace their history an lineage so I imagine they have no real idea what Spaniards look like but, need “Blue Eyed, White Devils” to demonize...

I guess...