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1 posted on 01/28/2014 3:29:19 PM PST by Renfield
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To: SunkenCiv

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2 posted on 01/28/2014 3:29:40 PM PST by Renfield (Turning apples into venison since 1999!)
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To: Renfield

>>Black Death may have scuppered Roman Empire<<

Black Idiocy may well end America.


3 posted on 01/28/2014 3:32:34 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Fight Tapinophobia in all its forms! Do not submit to arduus privilege.)
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To: Renfield

nothing to do with Rome debasing their currency, letting in hordes of illegals, massive government corruption, loss of any meaning to citizenship, insane taxes/regulations and an out of control oligarchy???


4 posted on 01/28/2014 3:36:17 PM PST by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: Renfield
The Western Roman empire is usually considered to have ended in 476 AD when Odoacer, a German, became emperor. This had been an accepted date of the fall since Gibbon.

The Eastern (Byzantine) Empire lasted until 1453 when Constantinople fell to the Turks.

The plague of Justinian was a devastating event. But no one thinks the Roman world fell in 541 AD.

Journalists. They know nothing about everything.

5 posted on 01/28/2014 3:38:59 PM PST by ClearCase_guy (Anti-Complacency League! Baby!)
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To: Renfield

http://www.amazon.com/Barbarians-Angels-Dark-Ages-Reconsidered/dp/0393335399/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1390953430&sr=8-1&keywords=barbarians+to+angels

Barbarians to Angels is written by archeologist Peter Wells who states that archaeological evidence shows people thriving in areas of the post Western Roman Empire despite what the contemporary texts wrote.

It’s an interesting read.


8 posted on 01/28/2014 4:01:06 PM PST by Snickering Hound
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To: Renfield
RATS: HOW ARE YOU GENTLEMEN!!
RATS: ALL YOUR EMPIRE ARE BELONG TO US.
13 posted on 01/28/2014 5:31:46 PM PST by RichInOC (HA HA HA HA....)
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To: Renfield

“Justinian’s Flea” laid out the case of plague pretty well.

But the West fell well before 541. And aguably before 476.

The eastern empire could be said to not have realy fallen until the Russian Revolution.

“Mehmed II and his successors continued to consider themselves heirs to the Roman Empire until the demise of the Ottoman Empire in the early 20th century. They considered that they had simply shifted its religious basis as Constantine had done before. Meanwhile, the Danubian Principalities (whose rulers also considered themselves the heirs of the Eastern Roman Emperors[157]) harboured Orthodox refugees, including some Byzantine nobles.

At his death, the role of the emperor as a patron of Eastern Orthodoxy was claimed by Ivan III, Grand duke of Muscovy. He had married Andreas’ sister, Sophia Paleologue, whose grandson, Ivan IV, would become the first Tsar of Russia (tsar, or czar, meaning caesar, is a term traditionally applied by Slavs to the Byzantine Emperors). Their successors supported the idea that Moscow was the proper heir to Rome and Constantinople. The idea of the Russian Empire as the successive Third Rome was kept alive until its demise with the Russian Revolution.[158]” [Wikipedia]


14 posted on 01/28/2014 6:36:27 PM PST by Adder (No, Mr. Franklin, we could NOT keep it.)
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To: Renfield
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Nice try at a "history re-write" ...


Islam destroyed the Roman Empire ... watch the video link "Why We Are Afraid" by Dr. Bill Warner ...


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16 posted on 01/28/2014 9:50:07 PM PST by Patton@Bastogne (.)
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To: Renfield

Final blow? Byzantium lasted until 1453!


18 posted on 01/29/2014 5:24:12 AM PST by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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To: Renfield
The Dark Ages: Were They Darker Than We Imagined?

Physical Aspects Of The Dark Ages

Let's first look at the onset of "the" Dark Ages in the sixth century AD. The Roman Empire was finished, nothing was happening in the sciences, and worse was happening in nature. The Italian historian Flavius Cassiodorus wrote about conditions that he experienced during the year AD 536 :

"The Sun...seems to have lost its wonted light, and appears of a bluish colour. We marvel to see no shadows of our bodies at noon, to feel the mighty vigour of the Sun's heat wasted into feebleness, and the phenomena which accompany an eclipse prolonged through almost a whole year. We have had a summer without heat. The crops have been chilled by north winds, [and] the rain is denied." Other writers of the time described similar conditions : Procopius : "...during this year a most dread portent took place. For the Sun gave forth its light without brightness...and it seemed exceedingly like the Sun in eclipse, for the beams it shed were not clear." Lydus : "The Sun became dim...for nearly the whole year...so that the fruits were killed at an unseasonable time."

Michael the Syrian : "The Sun became dark and its darkness lasted for eighteen months. Each day it shone for about four hours, and still this light was only a feeble shadow...the fruits did not ripen and the wine tasted like sour grapes."

21 posted on 01/29/2014 8:29:25 PM PST by blam
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