Posted on 01/11/2014 5:21:46 PM PST by chicagolady
I can remember our high school history teacher, Mr. Hester, teaching us about the bonus army.
I can’t remember which grade we were in. I do recall that he was a great admirer of Douglas McArthur.
I guess you read post 51. I have been thinking about putting together a list of all the uses of federal troops (on a large scale) done in America.
For instance the 101st Airborne in Little Rock Arkansas, in the 1950s, and Detroit.
Detroit, Michigan
“As the day wore on and looting and fires got worse, Romney called in the Michigan State Police and the Michigan National Guard.[141] At 3 a.m. on July 24, Romney and Detroit Mayor Jerome Cavanagh called U.S. Attorney General Ramsey Clark and requested that federal troops be sent.[141][142] Clark indicated that to do so, Romney would have to declare a state of civil insurrection, which the governor was loath to do from fear that insurance companies would seize upon it as a reason to not cover losses owing to the riot.[142] Elements of the 82nd and 101st U.S. Army Airborne Divisions were mobilized outside of the city.[143] As the situation in Detroit worsened, Romney told Deputy Secretary of Defense Cyrus Vance, “We gotta move, man, we gotta move.”[144] Near midnight on July 24, President Lyndon B. Johnson authorized thousands of paratroopers to enter Detroit.”
Yeah but the President is authorized to put down insurrection and a riot is a form of insurrection.
A large demonstration of civilians occurred in the summer of 1963 when Martin Luther King called for a Freedom March. One of the missions of The Old Guard (TOG) is to protect the D.C. area. In preparation for the event, the first battalion received riot control training with fixed chrome bayonets on M1 rifles and tear gas. Our NCOs and armorers had control of ammo and gas. As we sat ready to move out in duece-and-a-half trucks strung with chicken wire, our officers went from truck to truck telling us we may have to kill some Americans today, to remember our training and follow orders. There was no doubt that we would follow orders though we wondered how ~600 of us were going to control several hundred thousand angry Americans. That's what soldiers do - FOLLOW ORDERS. That's what soldiers do today too.
I’m assuming this is the Bonus Army? Known about this for years. It was widely disseminated in the gun culture by John Ross in his novel Unintended Consequences, and also by the Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership, of which I am a supporter.
That was an unfortunate choice for a source since it refutes your claim, it clearly states they were veterans.
You claimed that the veterans had largely dissolved and been replaced, they hadn’t.
You can argue about individual leaders if you want, but it was still the veterans demonstrating.
“Does that justify the use of military force against civilians?”
The District of Columbia Chief of Police, Glassford, had worked with the head of the protestors to keep the protestors limited to genuine veterans and their families and to alleviate their privations in their squatters’ shelters. This humanitarian working relationship was deliberately disrupted by factions among the protestors who wanted to incite domestic violence rather than avoid domestic violence.
After the U.S. Senate voted to deny early payments of the bonus and the Congress adjourned the Session, these violent factions violently attacked Glassford and his police to foment a lethal incident as further incitement to violence and armed insurrection. The Federal Government paid for the trasportation necessary to return the Bonus Army protestors to their homes around the United States, and about a fourth of them did so. Among the three-fourths who remained, however, there were many who advocated the violent overthrow of the government, including the Communist provocators. Subsequently, the deadly use of firearms convinced Glassford his police force could no longer maintain the safety of his police force or the District of Columbia by their own limited numbers and resources, so he requested assistance from Federal troops.
In the end, MacArthur’s exceeding the orders he received from the Commander-in-Chief resulted in a political and public relations problem for the Hoover Administration. Nonetheless, the use of military force was certainly justified by Article 4, Section 4 of the Constitution and its obligation to oppose the armed domestic violence being used against the D.C. police and threatened against the elected representatives of the local and Federal governments.
LOL, from silly posts, to over the top personal attacks from left field.
I think you exposed yourself well enough.
Only unfortunate because I wasted my time on someone uninterested in gaining knowledge.
You claimed that the veterans had largely dissolved and been replaced, they hadn’t.
You didn't read the account did you? No you didn't.
As the saying goes: We don’t mind if they come to our houses, we won’t be home, we’ll be at their houses.
“I think you exposed yourself well enough.”
The only exposed one is you. You can’t provide any evidence of what you claimed. Just as I said you would fail, you have. We both knew you would too.
I don’t see where anyone has mentioned the Whiskey Rebellion was put down by President George Washington. 12,950 US Forces against civilians (farmers and Revolutionary War Veterans).
The Bonus Army was covered in my High School classes, which would have been in the ‘70’s.
Well, they darned sure didn't have an obesity problem. Not a fat guy in the ranks.
Actually hunger and inadequate diets, malnutrition, and slow starvation in some extreme cases, are known about the great depression, at least to most people.
Many of us had family that experienced it, and these men would have experienced it on the road and so far from home, it is what appears to have brought most of them to travel to DC in the first place, are you paying attention to this story at all?
You want to rage and attack people personally, but you don’t seem to be saying anything other than repeating over and over, that they weren’t facing starving and hunger.
If that is your opinion, then fine, to you it is all just Great Depression mythology, and poor people traveling at the time would not be dealing with such a problem, but your rage and hostility is off putting.
I obviously read what you asked me to, it repeatedly made clear they were veterans.
Again, rather than just repeat yourself, why didn’t you actually refute post 66?
To: fso301
That was an unfortunate choice for a source since it refutes your claim, it clearly states they were veterans.
You claimed that the veterans had largely dissolved and been replaced, they hadn’t.
You can argue about individual leaders if you want, but it was still the veterans demonstrating.
66 posted on 1/11/2014 6:55:04 PM by ansel12
Sort of like how whenever the TEA party gathers for a demonstration, there’s always a handful of democrat plants who say awful things and try to get the media to blame us?
“True enough, but usually under the guise of the ‘national Guard’ and not US military forces.”
On the contrary, the U.S. armed forces have been used to suppress civil riots and other incidents of domestic violence on numerous occasions since the passage of the Posse Comitatus Act in 1878. These military actions were authorized by the U.S. Constitution and/or the U.S. Congress in compliance with the Posse Comitatus Act.
Furthermore, the Army National Guard and the Air National Guard are both active reserve components of the U.S. federal Government and therefore of the “US military forces.” They are not strictly state militia forces. There are some states which have reestablished active state militia forces which are not components of the armed forces of the United States Government.
“This action was a huge stain on the careers of all those involved.”
Only from the point of view of ill informed and willfully ignorant persons sympathetic to the point of view espoused by the socialist-Communist-Progressive false propaganda.
Good background and added information, thank you.
look at what our cops do to people in their own homes. they mow people down who think teir home is beig invaded - because it is.
obama’s getting rid of the officers who won’t follow his orders, look what will be left. enlisted will be told to follow orders or be shot on the spot. think they won’t do this? the landing crafts at normandy had a gunner in the back that would shoot anyone who wouldn’t jump out of the boat.
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