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To: Steely Tom; Red Badger; PapaBear3625; AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; ...

That graph shows grapheme caps topping out at about 4.5 Wh/Kg energy density.

Just for perspective, the best lithium polymer batteries deliver about 250 Wh/Kg.

The power density for supercaps is pretty good though, as is their longevity.
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I’m not getting this. If grapheme caps top out at about 4.5 Wh/Kg energy density....why are they so much more interesting/better/important/powerful than lithium polymer batteries which deliver about 250 Wh/Kg? Isn’t 250 Wh/Kg many orders of magnitude better/important/powerful than 4.5 Wh/Kg?


31 posted on 10/24/2013 9:25:36 PM PDT by ckilmer ( e)
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To: ckilmer

It’s not the energy storage that’s attractive, it’s the power density. Lithium batteries take hours to recharge. Supercaps can be recharged in seconds (or deliver their whole charge in seconds).


32 posted on 10/25/2013 3:09:36 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: ckilmer; PapaBear3625
Papa Bear is right. Energy density is a very important metric for battery technology; it could be argued that it's the most important parameter overall. However, for various specific application, other characteristics can override it. As mentioned in the article, the discharge capability (or power density) of supercaps makes them useful as pitch motors for wind turbines (who outside the wind turbine world would ever have thought of that one?). In that application you need big jolts of intermittent power. Without supercaps, those big jolts would be converted into mechanical shock loads by the generator. Not good when you have 75-foot-long fiberglass blades acting like rotating tuning forks.

Batteries generally have fairly short lives; this is certainly true with lithium batteries, whose high performance characteristics are offset by the fact that they're really only just barely stable from a chemistry standpoint. There have been a number of spectacular fires resulting from damaged or overcharged lithium batteries; as they age they become less stable; most lithium battery packs include little special-purpose "smart power" chips to keep them from exploding. These chips monitor their temperature, charge state, and other parameters to keep them stable.

For that reason, I imagine that supercaps might find uses in satellites and other applications where maintenance is impossible.

33 posted on 10/25/2013 5:55:24 AM PDT by Steely Tom (If the Constitution can be a living document, I guess a corporation can be a person.)
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