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Looking for Help from Freepers on a Building Safety / Fire Protection Matter
Self | 9/28/13 | Alberta's Child

Posted on 09/28/2013 9:00:13 AM PDT by Alberta's Child

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To: mdittmar

I don’t think the cost of replacing the equipment is the main issue for this user. As I understand it, the loss of business function for this company and its customers may be the biggest financial exposure they have.


21 posted on 09/28/2013 9:23:36 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("I've never seen such a conclave of minstrels in my life.")
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To: Venturer

Bingo.

Save the equipment at the possible loss of human life?

I have been in areas deprived of oxygen.
It snuffs out life just as well as it snuffs out fire.

Effa bunch of electronics.


22 posted on 09/28/2013 9:23:43 AM PDT by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: FreedomPoster

Thanks for the update. I learned about Halon while serving in the Navy, 20 years ago.


23 posted on 09/28/2013 9:23:50 AM PDT by rabidralph
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To: Alberta's Child

I are a engineer!


24 posted on 09/28/2013 9:23:54 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: Alberta's Child

Look into what is called a “Preaction” system as an alternative.


25 posted on 09/28/2013 9:24:30 AM PDT by 101viking
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To: andyk

At least they’re required by code where I live...


26 posted on 09/28/2013 9:25:38 AM PDT by andyk (I have sworn...eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.)
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To: Alberta's Child

Then they should have an off-site back-up, rendundant system in another city or country.


27 posted on 09/28/2013 9:26:49 AM PDT by rabidralph
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To: andyk

And a little water would fry electronics or set up an electrocution hazard if there is a ground fault protection system.

I could dunk my circuits under water, freeze them, thaw them out, lay them in the desert for 30 years and they will still work.


28 posted on 09/28/2013 9:28:23 AM PDT by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: Alberta's Child

If everything could be put in one room a individual gas system for that room would be quite feasible.
It should lower insurance as well damage from gas systems is minimal as compared to a wet system.


29 posted on 09/28/2013 9:30:47 AM PDT by GSP.FAN (Some days, it's not even worth chewing through the restraints.)
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a little water wouldn't fry electronics or set up an electrocution hazard if there is a ground fault protection system.
30 posted on 09/28/2013 9:31:07 AM PDT by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: BushCountry

Unfortunately all the laws banning the materials are still in place.


31 posted on 09/28/2013 9:32:50 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: rabidralph

I specified Halon for computer rooms back in the day, but everything switched over to FM-200 about 15-18 years ago if memory serves.


32 posted on 09/28/2013 9:34:10 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: Alberta's Child
Closed loop rack enclosures are used nowadays which is just a big sealed glass paneled rack with built in AC and sometimes even fire suppression. If they don't want to put out the expense to protect their systems properly then it must not be all that important. Everyone backs up their data off site nowadays anyway so it's only the hardware being exposed to risk which insurance will cover just fine. It would be fairly simple for your fire alarm company to add a power cutoff in the event of a heat or smoke detector going off in that room.

Here's a pic of the type of rack enclosure they should be using, which is portable if they ever need to move:


33 posted on 09/28/2013 9:43:43 AM PDT by Teflonic
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To: Alberta's Child

I was involved in the test of a Halon system in the early 80s. Three of us were in the computer room when the test was run to check the concentration levels and watch the ceiling pads. We all walked out with no effects from breathing the Halon. Depending on whether the ceiling pads are secured you may have some of them get blown around.


34 posted on 09/28/2013 9:46:20 AM PDT by meatloaf
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To: Alberta's Child

Insurance for hardware and regular backups


35 posted on 09/28/2013 9:48:32 AM PDT by Raycpa
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To: FreedomPoster
According to the FM-200 system training I’ve been through, it doesn’t deplete enough oxygen to harm personnel, just enough to suppress the fire.

That doesn’t mean I’d stand around to watch it happen!

36 posted on 09/28/2013 9:50:02 AM PDT by tv_techie
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To: 101viking

Bingo! The problem is that the fire sprinkler piping in only those areas with electronics would have to (expensively) repiped to have a single water supply.

Then you add a preaction valve that is set off by a “cross-zone” detection system. One zone would be rate-of-heat-rise detectors and the other zone could be ionization detectors. Both zones have to activate before the preaction valve dumps.

You can add a “deadman” switch that a person would have to continue to depress after the cross-zone fires to stop the dump.

Halon is a one-shot extinguisher and would also kill anyone in the room. The fire codes don’t allow a mixture of fire suppression systems in buildings.

Here’s a great solution: change out the fire sprinklers to 212 degree heads and put in the above mentioned cross-zone alarm system. That way someone nearby or onsite and the fire department both show up first way before discharge.

Cross-zone is needed for (expensive) false alarms, electronics can fry and set off the ionization detectors but not the rate-of-rise.

Bottom line, if the 212 degree sprinklers are seeing that much heat, you want them to go off. Back up all your data offsite and have good insurance.


37 posted on 09/28/2013 9:53:20 AM PDT by gandalftb
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To: andyk

The problem with sprinklers is that they almost always ALL turn on, rather than be selective by area. Thus, the fire outside the “computer room” also releases water systems IN the room. Thus, advanced suppression may not work. You need to check the code to deactivate that room of sprinklers while maintaining regulations for that room. Simply call an IT manager of another company and see if they will be forthcoming about how they did it.


38 posted on 09/28/2013 9:56:17 AM PDT by SgtHooper (The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list.)
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To: meatloaf

Halon has been banned since 1994

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fyGGqgVzCY


39 posted on 09/28/2013 9:57:04 AM PDT by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: tv_techie

The FM-200 system is not allowed as a replacement for required fire sprinklers, only as a first response. The reason is that it is a one shot extinguisher.

Smoldering fires can flare up after the FM-200 dissipates. So, the fire sprinklers have to stay.


40 posted on 09/28/2013 9:57:26 AM PDT by gandalftb
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