Skip to comments.Baby names reveal parents' political ideology
Posted on 06/07/2013 4:13:47 PM PDT by workerbee
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The sounds of liberal and conservative names varied, too. For both boys and girls, liberals tended to pick more feminine-sounding choices, such as Liam, Ely and Leila names that include lots of L sounds and soft-A endings, including popular choices Ella and Sophia.
Conservatives, on the other hand, tend to pick names with more masculine-sounding Ks, Bs, Ds and Ts, such as Kurt. A couple of famous national political families demonstrate that pattern, Oliver said: The liberal Obamas named their daughters Sasha and Malia, both names heavy on As and Ls, whereas the conservative Palin family picked more masculine-sounding names for both their boys and girls, particularly Track, Trig, Bristol and Piper (although third daughter Willow got a softer-sounding moniker).
The findings of an ideological split mostly among the well-educated are no surprise, Oliver said, as only about 20 percent of the American public holds strong political principles, and those people tend to be college educated. In that group, he said, the data suggest that liberals are looking to distinguish themselves for their culture and education by choosing esoteric names. Conservatives, on the other hand, seem to pick traditional names that will distinguish their kids as economically successful.
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This is a great point. I definitely think there's a line between "unique" and "what are your parents' trying to prove?"
Have you ever noticed that it is very, very unusual for a woman to name her daughter after herself? My opinion about this is that women don't have the conceit that men have: "Look at me. I'm something special, so I'll give my son my great name."
Many moons ago I worked in Sears credit collection department and you cannot imagine how many accounts got mangled because the father's payment on his account got applied to the account of his son, who had the same damn name.
Full name: Malia Anne Obama
Yeah, we got Bolshevism covered with Sasha, and we got MAO in there too.
Hope no one thinks its a coincidence.
The half of my family that raised me gave everybody biblical names, which are much meatier and assertive than Amber, Ashley, Liam etc.
My daughter is Rebecca Elizabeth. Becca for short. The other half of my family, Sicilian, everybody is named Michael, Michelle.. with a few Anthonys thrown in.
I think it’s awful to burden a girl with a masculine name and vice versa.
Irish/Celtic names got hugely popular in the late ‘80s. Look at the popularity of Caitlin and it’s 2,001 spelling variations!
Conservatives, on the other hand, seem to pick traditional names that will distinguish their kids as economically successful.
That is a stupid statement.
Enjoyed the excerpt until I got to that.
I was on the phone yesterday with client support for our payroll vendor and the womans name was, I kid you not: Lacola pronounced La-Cola. I also once spoke with someone at this same company named Latrina and one named Chiquita.
Frank Zappa is dead,isn’t he?
Wow, those are some seriously traditional names! They could be my great-aunts, LOL! In fact, some of them were!
How about Esther?
I’ll meet your La-Cola and raise you a Chlamydia. Yep, same spelling and everything.
I had a customer named “Aquanetta” once ;)
I’ve always been stunned that Mexicans name their boys Jesus, and that nobody ever explained the impropriety of such to them.
I guess conversion under duress brought that about over the last 400 years.
I don’t like any of those names you mentioned. To each his own.
People tend to think of family names as being a male thing but there are several female given names that go back through the generations. Parthenia is the most unusual one in my bunch.
In the novel “Unintended Consequences” by John Ross (recommended) there is a small character whose name sort of rhymes with “Gloria”, but while the sound is somewhat innocuous, the spelling (”Gonorrhea”) is slightly embarrassing to her.
I guess my little Fortinbras and Farquharson don’t fit any mold...
His first name is Biblical: Matthew. At the time, we didn't know any Matthew babies... but I guess half the parents in America were thinking the exact thing at the same time, because it turned out to be quite common.
It’s definitely more unusual for a mother’s name to be passed along. That just follows our patriarchial society (not saying that as a political matter, just stating a fact.)
However, my mother was named after her mother, though they had different middle names.
You're breaking my heart. You're shaking my confidence, baby.
Ok, Ok, I hear you with Cecelia. LOL
But my young cousin by that name is an accomplished cellist, so my associations have been changed.
I had a customer named Aquanetta once ;)
Supposedly a true story, I say that as I got it second hand.
But a friend of my oldest niece told me that when she was in the maternity ward recovering from her C-Section with her first child (Harrisburg PA) there was a very young, hum , urban gal in the same room with her. The nurse came to ask this gal what name to put on the birth certificate and she told her Vagina. The nurse, who was also black but a much older woman, looked at her in shock and asked her to repeat it and again the young woman said Vagina.
The nurse said something to the effect of, You cant be serious. You really want to name your daughter Vagina? Do you even know what that means? No, the gal said, But I heard my doctor say it a few times and it just sounds so pretty.
According to my nieces friend, the nurse said Oh Sweet Jesus, please take me home because Ive had enough of this world, this country is beyond any hope. Then she told the mother, No. Im not letting you name your daughter Vagina or for that matter, Uterus or Gonorrhea or Chlamydia either, God only knows shes going to have a hard enough time in this life with you as a mother. Im putting down a good Christian Biblical name for her: She looks like a Sarah Rebecca to me and with that she walked out of the room and thats what she put on the birth certificate.
Silly me ... “considered”
I stand corrected. Thank you, FRiends.
Of course, you know that when a man names one of his sons after himself, the kid gets the full name, first, middle and last and a “Jr.” is attached.
He lives thereafter in his father’s shadow and strives to make his own identity. Not easy when you’re an “appendage” (strong word but I mean it) of your father, not your own individualist self.
I remember going to a minor league baseball game and there on one team was a player named Mickey Mantle, Jr. He tried and tried but he could not be the player that his father was; the team eventually dropped him off their roster. Despite—and maybe cause of—that name, he failed. Must be tough growing up under those circumstances.
If I had been given the name of my father I would have changed it at 18 or 21, whatever is the legal age requirement.
Unless you are Barack Obama and you are named Barack H. Obama II.
People think the II is just a fancy way of indicating Jr. It's not. Maybe Obama's parents (whoever they were) thought II sounded more distinguished than Jr. They obviously were misinformed.
The II is reserved for naming a child after someone who is not the father. It was useful when many of an extended family lived in one house. A child might be named after a grandfather or an uncle and the II was appended to his name to identify the younger person.
They are. : ) Im just glad my niece and nephew didnt go with some of the traditional Norwegian family names for their girls. Some I like, Im rather found of Dagny and Astrid and Kirsten for instance but my grandmothers name was Bergliot and her sisters name was Borghild and I cant imagine any of my great nieces being saddles with either of those names. : )
I’ve never cared for Jr. names. Every kid deserves his “own” name. The middle name is for honoring a parent/grandparent/family connection.
re: so my associations have been changed
That is good! Still, I would put the name in the category of “risky”. Might need a couple more generations to pass.
The other day, when I was substitute teaching class, I was taking roll and came upon a student whose first name was Shauen. So I called his name, pronouncing it Schauen, the German word for "to look." He corrected me, telling me that it's pronounced "shahn," an apparent variant of "Sean"--and he was surprised that I had mispronounced it the first time.
It’s even worse when it gets into III, IV or V. Yikes! C’mon folks, use some imagination!
That has been under discussion for several decades, now.
If she was from Saskatchewan, she could be Vagina from Regina ! Thanks :)
Names like Antwaan or D'Queshiaya facilitate online searches--they're a lot easier to find than names like Jane or John.
I knew someone who was a V. His nickname was Quint.
Imagine having four ancestors with your name. Maybe I should say imagine having a name belonging to four ancestors.
I don’t think that was unusual years ago. Many seemed to use the same names.
That's called child abuse.
Thanks for sharing. I know another "named by the nurse" story. I wonder how common that is?
It’s not just nowadays. Back in the early 80s I worked for the child support office; the unit I worked in dealt exclusively with Memphis, TN. I swear that after giving birth, the hospital would bring the mother a bowl of alphabet soup, and whatever letters were in the first spoonful were made into the baby’s name.
There's a great Florence song, but I can't think of any Emma songs.
“As I’ve always had a fascination with names and naming trends, I found this article quite interesting.”
Agree. The first thing you see on a resume is the name. You can immediately tell a lot about a person, just from the name. You may infer that the person got preferences, or got anti-preference (Jewish or Asian). And yes, if they have white, whacked out, parents, you’ll get some weird names, like “Moon Unit”. But one can ALWAYS file those away in the trash.
Re your post 76, thanks for pointing that out. Most people assume that Jr. and II are interchangeable.
Same here. My mom always said that she chose names that wouldn't have to be spelled out over the telephone. She also thought a name should lend a certain dignity to its bearer. I've got no complaints.
When I first met my (future) wife, she told me that she'd had the name for her first daughter picked out for over a decade. I didn't argue with that, and when our daughter arrived, she was named Briagh (bree-ah). It's Scots Gaelic for 'fine, pleasant, or beautiful'.
My daughter is Sarah. :D I have good, conservative tastes. My son is William. :D
Your point is? (post 74)
Mr. Sinatra Jr. is just another example of someone trying to trade on the family name and not being particularly good at it.
I do have to concede that Hank Williams Jr. carved out quite a career trading on his father’s name. Somehow with just a modicum of talent, he did it.
Agreed. I also gave all my boys their own unique name.
Prior to my generation, my father's family had been recycling the same half dozen men's names for generations. My mom put an end to that, thank goodness.
My wife and her mother share the same middle name. My wife hates it, because everyone knew her mom by that name.
I completely agree with that, and have seen it play out in real life.
When my baby sister's first boy was on the way, she set her mind on honoring her husband by making baby a Junior. This, despite the fact that she has two uncles and a nephew with the same first name. Today, my family has five Michaels.
There is a girl that works at the car rental agency I use when I travel to NM... her name is Esther. I love the traditional names of people in the heartland... Bertha is another amazing name I have seen out here in NM.
I like Martha, Elizabeth and Louise. I like old fashioned family names. All my kids have family names passed from generation to generation.
My family took a name all the way to four generations before my sister-in-law put her foot down when their son was born and named him something with no family names. It was crazy- my dad and granddad had ranches in the same area and the banks and what not stayed confused. It did make it easier for me to do the genealogy for my dad’s tree. I found out the unusual first name was scattered throughout the family and went back to an ancestor that died in the Civil War. I think it must have started out as a way to honor him and then went too far.
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