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To: Windflier

In fact, to give you an idea that the Founding Fathers and the Framers and their entire generation was not as uptight about the issue as you imagine, three of our first four Presidents were dual citizens with France.

WHILE serving as President of the United States.


151 posted on 05/02/2013 10:02:46 AM PDT by Jeff Winston
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To: Jeff Winston
You're referring to the "honorary" citizenship France bestowed upon them. It's not quite the same. It's like a college granting an "honorary" degree to a commencement speaker. It's not a legitimate credential. More on the illegitimacy of "honorary" degrees here:
http://aaar.assembly.ca.gov/sites/aaar.assembly.ca.gov/files/reports/NCSL%20Diploma%20Mill%20Legislation.pdf

If they had actually naturalized as French citizens, you would have a point. But they didn't, so you don't.

153 posted on 05/02/2013 10:19:53 AM PDT by Rides3
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To: Jeff Winston
More on "honorary" citizenship:
"Honorary citizenship does not carry with it the rights and privileges of ordinary citizenship, and such status does not confer any special entry, travel or immigration benefits upon the honoree or the honoree’s relatives and dependants. It also does not impose additional duties or responsibilities, in the United States or internationally, on the honoree. It is a strictly symbolic act. No oath is required."
http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/86761.pdf

Please tell me you aren't stupid enough to believe that "honorary" citizenship is in fact real.

155 posted on 05/02/2013 10:33:07 AM PDT by Rides3
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To: Jeff Winston
...three of our first four Presidents were dual citizens with France. WHILE serving as President of the United States.

No offense Jeff, but for someone who's supposedly well-versed in this one particular aspect of the Constitution and US history, you sometimes demonstrate a remarkable lack of knowledge about the subject.

Article II, Section 1, Clause 5:

"No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; ... "

The three Presidents you spoke of were citizens of the U.S. at the time of the adoption of the US Constitution, so were exempt from the NBC requirement.

The inclusion of that exemption for the Founding Generation was necessary, as the only Natural Born Citizens in America at that time, were newly born infants. Not a single American, 35 or older, would have qualified as President, without the existence of that exemption.

Now, I really shouldn't have to explain that to you, as it's one of the most well-worn arguments existing in this debate. You've surely been challenged with it many times before.

165 posted on 05/02/2013 4:23:45 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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