[allmendream]

“It is an established maxim, that birth is a criterion of allegiance. Birth, however, derives its force sometimes from place, and sometimes from parentage; but, in general place is the most certain criterion; it is what applies in the United States.” Madison

IT IS WHAT APPLIES IN THE UNITED STATES. It is not a law, nor did I imply it was, but it is a window into what one of the most influential founders intended as to citizenship at birth.

You claim it was out of context, so please by all means supply the context whereby Madison doesn’t think place is what applies, or what should apply, in the United States. Where is the context that reverses the meaning such that Madison wouldn’t intend those born in the United States to be citizens?

[DiogenesLamp]

“It is an established maxim, that birth is a criterion of allegiance. Birth, however, derives its force sometimes from place, and sometimes from parentage; but, in general place is the most certain criterion; it is what applies in the United States.” Madison

IT IS WHAT APPLIES IN THE UNITED STATES. It is not a law, nor did I imply it was, but it is a window into what one of the most influential founders intended as to citizenship at birth.

No it is not. It is an offhand comment regarding someone who was born in South Carolina while it was still a British Colony. It would be like quoting "dicta" as a holding, except it doesn't even poses that degree of authoritativeness.

Here is something from a Judge of the time period which has recognized legal authority, and is not simply an offhand comment.

You claim it was out of context, so please by all means supply the context whereby Madison doesn’t think place is what applies, or what should apply, in the United States. Where is the context that reverses the meaning such that Madison wouldn’t intend those born in the United States to be citizens?

I'm not going to bother with you, you know full well the rest of what Madison says, you just want to cut out that one little piece and use it as a trump card. Well it isn't. Here is something else Madison said:

[Fantasywriter]

It’s quite certain that by ‘place’ Madison meant an anchor baby hotel, occupied for a few days prior to ferrying the baby back to its home place, where it will be raised in the cultural ways & traditions of its parents.

If you really believe that by ‘place’ Madison meant a short stay maternity home, there’s no hope for you. You’re too far gone to ever make it back.