[allmendream]

“It is an established maxim, that birth is a criterion of allegiance. Birth, however, derives its force sometimes from place, and sometimes from parentage; but, in general place is the most certain criterion; it is what applies in the United States.” Madison

[DiogenesLamp]

“It is an established maxim, that birth is a criterion of allegiance. Birth, however, derives its force sometimes from place, and sometimes from parentage; but, in general place is the most certain criterion; it is what applies in the United States.” Madison

And you come with that out of context quote. Madison also said that if there was a Law in South Carolina which defined citizenship in South Carolina, then it would make the answer to the question much simpler.

According to Madison, a LAW trumps the "established maxim."

We are not going to accept a piece of stupidity on the basis of some obscure and out of context quote from James Madison. That the policy is stupid is obvious for all to see.

[highball]

“It is an established maxim, that birth is a criterion of allegiance. Birth, however, derives its force sometimes from place, and sometimes from parentage; but, in general place is the most certain criterion; it is what applies in the United States.” Madison

Exactly.

I don't think the Founders would be too happy with birth tourism, but I also don't think they saw it coming. And I know they didn't put anything in the Constitution to prevent it.

I would be in favor of changing the Constitution to shut down this industry, but that's what it will take.