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To: Uncle Chip

Bottom line? It really says a lot to who folks hired to be teachers and educators....that they couldn’t take a test on the subjects they teach. But if pull the top layer off...it’s because everyone got into a ‘education-degree’, which basically teaches you how to teach, but didn’t really cover the topic to any significant degree. We all allowed the board of education and the County Superintendent that we elected....to hire weak ‘education-degree’ folks. You could have skated through four years of college and know mostly nothing about topics, but we’ve hired you to teach those topics. So two groups are at fault here.

As for replacing these who are caught cheating? Well....we will find more of the educational-degree folks, with weak backgrounds....to replace them. It’s that simple.

If I may suggest this....you might as well find a fairly smart 20-year old who finished up two years at a community college and has a math-science type degree....to teach strictly math at your local school, and pay the guy a starting pay of $32k a year, and he’d be awful happy. For the next twenty years, the kids would all get a real math professional instead of some ‘educational-degree’ individual.


2 posted on 11/25/2012 8:55:07 AM PST by pepsionice
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To: pepsionice; Scoutmaster

It’s not a bug, it’s a feature. No doubt these educators were well qualified to help their students achieve Unexpected! high scores on important tests.

(Big-city school-system follies ping, Scoutmaster.)


6 posted on 11/25/2012 9:00:02 AM PST by Tax-chick (Are you getting ready for the Advent Kitteh?)
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To: pepsionice
Quote..."...it’s because everyone got into a ‘education-degree’, which basically teaches you how to teach, but didn’t really cover the topic to any significant degree."

...it’s because everyone got into a ‘education-degree’, which basically teaches you how to teach, pretend that you know how to teach, but didn’t really cover the topic to any significant degree.....

Fixed it up a bit.

11 posted on 11/25/2012 9:08:03 AM PST by wesagain (The God (Elohim) of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is the One True GOD.)
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To: pepsionice

“If I may suggest this....you might as well find a fairly smart 20-year old who finished up two years at a community college and has a math-science type degree....to teach strictly math at your local school, and pay the guy a starting pay of $32k a year, and he’d be awful happy. For the next twenty years, the kids would all get a real math professional instead of some ‘educational-degree’ individual.”

...and if we GOT RID OF UNIONS for teachers, then your kid could get a job and be a big help to hundreds (or thousands) of others trying to learn those subjects.

(I’m just guessing it’s your kid)


25 posted on 11/25/2012 12:52:18 PM PST by BobL (You can live each day only once. You can waste a few, but don't waste too many.)
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To: pepsionice
I have long thought the entire education system would improve dramatically if they followed the private business plan.

What I mean is hire real educated people based on actual GPAs and pay them as one would pay a newly graduated engineer (for example). Also, give them yearly evaluations by people who see their actual work (most principals never see what a teacher is like on a day to day basis in the classroom). Fire them when they don't perform to standards and no tenure! In addition, let people go to the schools that have the best reputation or put out the best (most qualified) product (educated students). Honest to goodness competition would go a long way towards creating better schools.

As I said, if our education system was run like a business, I think we would have top notch students!

28 posted on 11/25/2012 12:56:09 PM PST by CAluvdubya (We're doomed....)
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To: pepsionice

My neighbor’s daughter graduated with a degree in biology and is now teaching science at a local middle school. She had to take 6 weeks of training first in how to be a teacher and the responsibilities of her position. I hope they did not ruin her in the process.


29 posted on 11/25/2012 1:17:29 PM PST by ruesrose (The Anchor Holds)
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To: pepsionice
There are EDU majors teaching math at universities now, who can neither understand the material nor teach it.

That is outright theft and fraud.

31 posted on 11/25/2012 1:40:12 PM PST by meadsjn
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