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The Importance of a College Degree
Schiff Radio-Youtube.com ^ | 11/18/2012 | Schiff Report

Posted on 11/16/2012 4:53:26 PM PST by a5478

President Obama promotes the myth that everyone must go to college. That if you don't go, your life will be ruined -- that you will end up waiting tables, or trapped in some other mundane occupation. The truth is, even with a college degree, you may still end up waiting tables, you'll just begin your "career" four or five years later, tens of thousands of dollars in debt.

Here is an example of some of the plumb jobs college grads were able to land during the Obama administration. Not just liberal arts majors mind you, but graduates with degrees in mathematics, robotics, neuroscience, engineering, accounting, business administration, economics, biology, communications, graphic design, marketing, and linguistics.

Of course when it comes to education, it's not just the Obama administration that deserves a failing grade. For years, politicians of both parties have pandered to students by promising more aid in the form of direct or subsidized student loans. As a result, colleges and universities are freed from competitive forces that would otherwise keep tuition low. Easy access to cheap credit enables students to bid up tuition, benefiting the educational establishment at their expense. Politicians secure student's votes by promising relief from skyrocketing tuition by providing even more loans. Ironically, the loans themselves are the very reason tuition is so high in the first place.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Education; Health/Medicine; Society
KEYWORDS: college; economy; education; jobs
A college degree is important if you choose to do more in the work force.

The people in these interviews only say they went to college but not that they graduated.

The ones who did graduate are unable to compete in a business or employment world because they have been psyched.

All of these people are employed in jobs that have income that goes unreported. They will be paid in cash and therefore can collect benefits and still have an income. What do you want to bet they are among the "unemployed" or on other public assistance?

They also voted for Obama. Keep those benefits rolling in. Also no loan payment is required if no income is reported. mmmmmm hmmmmmmm.

1 posted on 11/16/2012 4:53:31 PM PST by a5478
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To: a5478

I worked three part time jobs and a full time summer job to get through the university.

A guy in my high school class joined the Kirby Company as a salesman (Kirby vacuums) and made $100,000 year when I was making $30 K.


2 posted on 11/16/2012 5:06:03 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (In the game of life, there are no betting limits)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

And some people get hit by lightning and don’t die. Your story is not the norm in any way. How many from your high school didn’t go to college that have shitty jobs? Do you tell the story of your classmate who is a barista? a Walmart cashier?


3 posted on 11/16/2012 5:10:23 PM PST by EEGator
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To: a5478
LOL!

A college degree is absolutely vital for a limited number of professional positions involving special technical knowledge and training that one is unable to easily acquire by osmosis / on the job training.ie:

Applied Sciences-which would include chemists,mathematicians, engineers, astronomists and medical doctors
Historians-which would include lawyers, archiologists, and only at the higher levels, teachers.

The rest of the people with various liberal arts or other invented degrees...are stooges who spent a lot of money in tuition to avoid accepting the reality that they wasted their time and money to salve their fragile egos about their supposed superiority over their more productive neighbors.

Everyone else paid a lot of money for

4 posted on 11/16/2012 5:37:24 PM PST by sarasmom
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

I went to college with a guy studying engineering. His name is Brian and he had a D average. He would wait till the homework is due in the afternoon and ask the smart students to help him. One stupid A student asked why he should help Brian when he is barely passing. Brian responds and tells the A student that his D grade on the exams help lower the class bell curve. That can spell the difference on a GPA if one wants to go to grad school. In the end all the A-/B+ students helped Brian along till he graduated last in his engineering class. Today he is a very successful salesman for an artificial joint company.
One more successful “dummy” story. Had two older cousins who barely graduated high school. Their mother would fret and worry about their future. Both of them became plumbers and became successful. Initially they had so many request for work, they decided to earn a referral fee by passing work onto other plumbers. The other thing they did was observe the housing market in the area while they made their service runs. During the 1970’s to 1980’s they made a killing in the real estate market and retired wealthy in the early 2000’s.


5 posted on 11/16/2012 5:42:30 PM PST by Fee
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To: a5478

Over the years, I’ve come to realize that unless it’s in an advanced type technical field, a college degree is next to worthless, particularly for what they cost(isn’t that ironic). Anyone that says otherwise, I don’t think knows any better, or works at a college.

They are mainly of value to HR and executive types that don’t ‘exist’ in the real working world.


6 posted on 11/16/2012 5:43:28 PM PST by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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To: a5478

Actually, “plumb” jobs pay quite well.


7 posted on 11/16/2012 5:50:29 PM PST by Romulus
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To: a5478
If any of you look at the video at the link you will see that all of those people working in restaurants, bars, strip clubs have college degrees. Ironic most of these idiots voted for the Obama communist.

The way that technology has been increasing at an exponential rate we should all be millionaires or even billionaires, instead most are in as in the video working at $10 an hour jobs in bars etc, in deep debt and so on. Obama’s socialism and government regulations are killing the economy and industries when they should be expanding and creating opportunities for everyone.

8 posted on 11/16/2012 5:50:46 PM PST by rurgan (give laws an expiration date:so the congress has to review every 4 years to see if needed)
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To: a5478

The college and university system is used by the elite to cull and sort through the masses for individuals who will carry their water for them. As in Freemasonry, only those at the highest levels know the real reason for the existence of their organization.


9 posted on 11/16/2012 5:51:03 PM PST by haffast
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To: sarasmom

“The rest of the people with various liberal arts or other invented degrees...are stooges who spent a lot of money in tuition to avoid accepting the reality that they wasted their time and money to salve their fragile egos about their supposed superiority over their more productive neighbors.”

I do not believe that this was ALWAYS true. There was a time when being “well-rounded” or wise and knowledgeable was worth something, and a liberal arts degree COULD help this along.


10 posted on 11/16/2012 5:59:50 PM PST by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: a5478
I barely passed high school, and am stuck in a mundane occupation. I am a manager in a Fortune 500 business.
11 posted on 11/16/2012 6:03:11 PM PST by irishtenor (Everything in moderation, however, too much whiskey is just enough... Mark Twain)
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To: EEGator
No one in my class of ‘67 works at Wal Mart.
My message was; marketing a good product and making the sales calls can easily trump a limited education. In my case, I left the scribbling profession to go into sales and tripled my income the first year.
Sorry things didn't turn out for you.
12 posted on 11/16/2012 6:03:18 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (In the game of life, there are no betting limits)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

How did things not turn out for me?


13 posted on 11/16/2012 6:04:28 PM PST by EEGator
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To: The Antiyuppie

Perhaps there was a time prior to 1965 when that was true.
I am not a Historian.


14 posted on 11/16/2012 6:08:09 PM PST by sarasmom
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To: EEGator

You seemed pretty cranky.
You tell me.


15 posted on 11/16/2012 6:09:22 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (In the game of life, there are no betting limits)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Not cranky. It just seems that many FReepers trash college degrees. If you get a degree in the STEM fields, it is worth it. If you get one in Women’s or African American Studies definitely not.


16 posted on 11/16/2012 6:17:14 PM PST by EEGator
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To: a5478

I shoveled a lot of ditches alongside folks with big degrees... and big loans which are wholly inescapable... even in bankruptcy. Try being 100k in debt and working it off as a road construction laborer... Just sayin.


17 posted on 11/16/2012 6:28:55 PM PST by roamer_1 (Globalism is just socialism in a business suit.)
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To: EEGator

Wake up sleepy head. College degree or no - nobody is a victim of their choices. We all reap what we sow. So what if you want a college degree? So what if you don’t? Hard work is the only real delineator.

The POINT is that there is a significant number of people afforded a college degree who CHOOSE ENTITLEMENT.

Cash Income+Govenrment Entitlement = Nice Life.


18 posted on 11/16/2012 6:34:44 PM PST by a5478 (a5478)
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To: EEGator
If nothing else, I learned discipline in college. I knew how to write since the 3rd or 4th grade and was published in “Boy's Life,” back in 1961.
Following university graduation and a series of poor paying news jobs, I realized that running a news beat was damned near the same as calling on a select group of customers. In the case of selling, I got the same kick as getting a scoop.

My step-dad asked me what kind of money I was making (as a statehouse reporter, where two or three stories could be filed every day.) When I told him, he laughed and said, “Hell, Eric, I had more expenses last year than you had income. Why don't you quit your job and come to work for me.”
He was in the coal business. His standard explanation for being successful was “Make the calls. You'll get the orders.”
It was discipline again. And he was right.

19 posted on 11/16/2012 6:39:41 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (In the game of life, there are no betting limits)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

The POINT is the number of people afforded a college degree who remain on government benefits by having employment that pays in cash and is therefore unreported.
Cash Income Unreported & No Taxes + Entitlements = Good Life


20 posted on 11/16/2012 6:41:34 PM PST by a5478 (a5478)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

What? You didn’t realize that the government owed you a living?

Instead, you went to work in a business and had an income goal? Failure.


21 posted on 11/16/2012 6:46:54 PM PST by a5478 (a5478)
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To: sarasmom

So are you saying that getting a degree in Lesbian Dance Theory with a Minor in Self Esteem Awareness won’t get me a high paying career???


22 posted on 11/16/2012 6:48:18 PM PST by eyeamok
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To: a5478

For many companies, a degree is the only way in. Hard work is extremely important, but you need to be hired first.


23 posted on 11/16/2012 6:53:06 PM PST by EEGator
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To: a5478

The universities are extremely important to the Democrats. They provide a lot of campaign contributions to the Democrats as well as many votes. They are also instrumental in running the con about the Democrats really caring about people. The Plantation Owner Professors and Administrators at our American universities are today’s slave masters. The lucky students get off as merely sharecroppers....working most of their lives to pay the Plantation Owner Professors for useless trivia.


24 posted on 11/16/2012 6:54:08 PM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

It sounds like you certainly made the wise decision.


25 posted on 11/16/2012 6:54:59 PM PST by EEGator
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To: blueunicorn6

I do think there is reason to have a broader education. I used a reference to Don Quixote in an earlier post. I wrote that Humphries, the FBI Agent in Florida who received the e-mails from Kelley in the Petraeus business, might just be a modern Don Quixote. Some people didn’t know what I was talking about. The point was that men have been sticking up for women of questionable character for hundreds or thousands of years. The Don Quixote book is 400 years old. Humphries behavior is nothing new. A broader education provides, I believe, a richer and fuller life.


26 posted on 11/16/2012 7:06:44 PM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: blueunicorn6

Or as I say, “To know where we’re going, you have to know where we’ve been.” That’s what education is for.


27 posted on 11/16/2012 7:09:10 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator

However. . . .attending college is not a guarantee of actually getting an education. These days, it’s as much an effort in checking off blocks and indoctrinating “inmates” with the current Pravda. . .


28 posted on 11/16/2012 7:49:29 PM PST by Salgak (Acme Lasers presents: The Energizer Border. I **DARE** you to cross it. . . .)
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To: a5478

OK, peeps...the thing is...whether or not you have a college education is NOT IMPORTANT. Some people do. Some people don’t. The degree of success within those will depend on the WORK you are willing to put into it.

THE POINT is that there is a generation of people who have attended or graduated from a college and CHOOSE ENTITLEMENT as a life. Isn’t there something wrong with that picture?


29 posted on 11/16/2012 7:51:34 PM PST by a5478 (a5478)
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To: The Antiyuppie

Some of us are STILL well-rounded. I’m an engineer, I can hold my own in most of the physical sciences, do basic engineering in almost any of the engineering specialties. . . and know enough to be able to provide useful requirements to a more specialized engineer.

I am able to write effectively, to the point where I generally am the guy who also writes the documentation and/or manuals.

I speak 3 other languages than English, and can converse intelligently on history (especially Graeco-Roman history), art, and several genres of literature.

But I learned almost NONE of that in college. . .


30 posted on 11/16/2012 8:00:53 PM PST by Salgak (Acme Lasers presents: The Energizer Border. I **DARE** you to cross it. . . .)
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To: eyeamok
Outside of a Federal Government special envoy appointment...Yes, I am saying you don't have a high paying career in your future!

LOL!
It's not likely you can sue me for not hiring you for your skillsets, because I don't have any potential customers who specifically identify themselves as amateur lesbian dancers!

I can't even imagine a tiny niche market large enough to make any profit on such a select customer base.

But I promise to keep your resume on file, in case something unexpected happens,,,

31 posted on 11/16/2012 8:12:02 PM PST by sarasmom
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To: eyeamok
So are you saying that getting a degree in Lesbian Dance Theory with a Minor in Self Esteem Awareness won’t get me a high paying career???

It'll get you a higher-paying career over the person with no degree whatsoever.

Statistically speaking, the only thing more expensive than going to college is not going to college.

32 posted on 11/16/2012 8:18:32 PM PST by Drew68
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To: a5478

I got a degree in ag journalism and worked for various newspapers for 10 years. Although I learned a lot about the mechanics of writing on the job, my college degree gave me more of a broad background than I would have had otherwise.

That said, I now work in a factory for more money adn better hours. Not as pretigious as news writing but it pays the bills.

I don’t know how some of these kids make it with their horrendous student loans!


33 posted on 11/16/2012 8:18:57 PM PST by Cloverfarm (This too shall pass ...)
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To: a5478
mine has taken my 2/3 the way around the world for work, more than once, that i NEVER could of afforded on my own without making 2-3X more than i made in the positions i had...
34 posted on 11/16/2012 8:33:17 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: EEGator
The coal company was acquired by a major oil company, where I worked for the next 16 years.
I was in the right place, f’sure.
35 posted on 11/17/2012 5:21:49 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (In the game of life, there are no betting limits)
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To: sarasmom

FYI, these are REAL classes at USC and UCLA


36 posted on 11/17/2012 6:18:41 AM PST by eyeamok
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

I’m glad it worked out for you. Hopefully you got some stock as well.


37 posted on 11/17/2012 11:14:02 AM PST by EEGator
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To: EEGator

I got “shadow stock” that had to be sold back when I left the company.
I can’t complain, tho. It allowed me to start my own little brokerage in retirement.


38 posted on 11/17/2012 11:35:18 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (In the game of life, there are no betting limits)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

That sounds even better. You have control, keep busy, and still make money.


39 posted on 11/17/2012 11:42:42 AM PST by EEGator
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