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To: muawiyah

I do think that’s what it is about. And I think the next four years of Obama
will enlarge that group. The Takers.
When Reagan was President 84 percent of Americans were working.
16 percent were takers.

47 percent of Americans are on some type of public dole.
And that percent will grow in the next 4 years.
We are out numbered. And it will get worse.


200 posted on 11/06/2012 10:17:00 PM PST by tennmountainman
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To: tennmountainman
When Ronald Reagan was President the elderely and infants didn't work ~ so you need to address the issue you think you want to prove in terms of normal demographics and express it that way.

The true measure is how many are employed in the body of the people identified as ready, willing and able to work. Obama has brought young people in this country down to the level of Greece ~ 53%.

And everybody clippng coupons isn't a 'taker' ~ think about that for a moment ~ we have a huge number of people who simply live off the accumulated capital built up by themselves, or their ancestors. IRS has tried to count them in the past ~ without a lot of success since an active investor looks very little different than a coupon clipper from the standpoint of tax payments. Roughly, there are a good 10 million millionaires (people earning a million bucks or more per year) ~ with dependents, and on the average they have 3 or 4 dependents just like everybody else, so that's 30 to 40 million people who are millionaires and possibly simply coupon clippers.

My guess is the coupon clippers probably reflect the population at large when it comes to identifying some as retirees and others as active participants in the economy.

So, how do you want to define those people? Are they working or are they taking?

You come up with hard statistics based on agreed upon definitions we can talk, but this idea that 84% were working back under Ronald Reagan is too ill defined to discuss rationally.

215 posted on 11/07/2012 5:19:32 AM PST by muawiyah
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