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Sisters and daughters: facing the faces of porn
life news ^ | 8.4.2012 | John Stonestreet

Posted on 08/04/2012 2:39:09 PM PDT by Morgana

The more I pay attention to our culture, the more I wonder if C. S. Lewis owned a crystal ball. Many of the works of this Oxford don who died almost fifty years ago seem more accurate today than when he wrote them. And this is especially true of “The Screwtape Letters.”

In an especially prophetic chapter, Uncle Screwtape explains to his demon nephew Hell’s strategy for using imagery to derail human sexuality: “We have engineered a great increase in…the apparent nude (not the real nude)… It is all a fake, of course; the figures in the popular art are falsely drawn; the real women in bathing suits or tights are actually pinched in and propped up to make them appear firmer and more slender than nature allows a full-grown woman to be. As a result we are more and more directing the desires of men to something which does not exist.”

If there’s a more perfect summary of how our culture views women, I haven’t found it. These images women have to compete with are always the same: flawless, impossibly slim and well-endowed. This standard is crushing for women because it’s not based in reality. Women are being compared to women who don’t actually exist.

And that’s where the real damage happens — and not only to young women, but to men. As Timothy Dalrymple argues in a recent blog post at Patheos.com, pornography is devastating the next generation’s sexuality not only because it’s addictive, but because it’s wildly inaccurate. Just like Screwtape, porn directs young men’s desires toward things and people that don’t really exist. It alters guys’ expectations of women. Where nature offers real women, porn offers edited actresses. Where God creates daughters in His image, porn creates fantasies in our image — free pleasure without any requirements.

Meanwhile under all that paint, porn stars are still broken, little girls. “Someone rocked them to sleep,” writes Dalrymple. “Someone comforted them when they were afraid of the monster or the spider or the thunder. They have histories, dreams, they have souls.”

Mark Regnerus makes this even clearer in a groundbreaking piece from last year in “Slate” magazine. In it, he describes today’s “sexual economics” where the availability of fake women who look perfect and are interested only in sex has created a sort of market competition that distorts both genders’ ideas of what real women are actually like. In order to live up, many women start to act like their fake competitors. Meanwhile, men, says Regnerus, are only too happy to oblige. Thus, the vicious cycle of illusion keeps producing more brokenness.

So how do we break this cycle?

Well, for starters, we could imitate Julia Bluhm. Julia, a 14-year-old ballet dancer from Waterville, Maine, recently started a campaign that’s already changing the way her generation views women. Partnering with media activist organization SPARK Summit, Julia started a petition to “Seventeen” magazine to drop the heavily-doctored images of young women, and instead use real photographs. “Seventeen” agreed, and now, thanks to Julia and the 84,000 signees who joined her effort, the nation’s most influential teen magazine is promoting true beauty, without the airbrush.

We can learn volumes from Julia’s victory in our culture’s very real “war on women.” She’s making a difference because she rejects the illusions — and we’ve got to do the same


TOPICS: Chit/Chat
KEYWORDS: moralabsolutes; porn

1 posted on 08/04/2012 2:39:13 PM PDT by Morgana
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To: Morgana

I sometimes wonder if an EMP wouldn’t be the best thing for our culture.


2 posted on 08/04/2012 2:45:22 PM PDT by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: Morgana
IMO his masterpiece was Mere Christianity taken from some radio talks he did. If you haven't read it, or it's been awhile, take a look.
3 posted on 08/04/2012 2:47:49 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: gorush
I sometimes wonder if an EMP wouldn’t be the best thing for our culture.

Wreck the TVs, leave the buildings standing?

4 posted on 08/04/2012 2:49:54 PM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: Morgana
In the recent movie MEN IN BLACK III, there's a throwaway line, "Most models are extraterrestrials." It takes a second or two for that to hit you. Of course. No real human woman looks like that. Not without a great deal of surgery and infrastructure, anyway.
5 posted on 08/04/2012 2:50:21 PM PDT by JoeFromSidney ( New book: RESISTANCE TO TYRANNY. Buy from Amazon.)
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To: Pearls Before Swine

Yup, and the people living for awhile at least. It would be ugly but the destination we’re headed for now would be worse.


6 posted on 08/04/2012 2:53:53 PM PDT by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: Morgana

Thanks for sharing this. With two teenage daughters, this really hits home.


7 posted on 08/04/2012 2:54:19 PM PDT by liege (I'll pay more for tomatoes, thank you.)
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To: Pearls Before Swine

...and most importantly...the MSM would no longer be able to tell the people what to think.


8 posted on 08/04/2012 2:56:29 PM PDT by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: Morgana; 185JHP; 230FMJ; AKA Elena; APatientMan; Albion Wilde; Aleighanne; Alexander Rubin; ...
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9 posted on 08/04/2012 2:56:36 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: gorush
Yup, and the people living for awhile at least. It would be ugly but the destination we’re headed for now would be worse.

Ugly? It would be "Lord of the Flies."

Let me cheer you up a little with a quote from Lord Hobbes, not known for optimism: "There is a lot of ruin in a nation."

10 posted on 08/04/2012 3:14:09 PM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: gorush

You should move to the Congo and write us about how great it is without the burdens of technology.


11 posted on 08/04/2012 3:17:12 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: EEGator; Pearls Before Swine

I enjoy the burdens of technology, I think you may have totally misinferred my position. Don’t worry, it happens all the time.


12 posted on 08/04/2012 3:23:44 PM PDT by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: gorush
I sometimes wonder if an EMP wouldn’t be the best thing for our culture.

Why don't you start with yourself - it's the least you could do.

13 posted on 08/04/2012 3:25:06 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: gorush

I guess so. Were you just being sarcastic?


14 posted on 08/04/2012 3:26:07 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: Talisker

I have to a great degree, but thanks for the suggestion.


15 posted on 08/04/2012 3:27:10 PM PDT by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: liege
“With two teenage daughters, this really hits home.”

Well you should be very concerned, although not so much about what the article is about. Most of the porn they are talking about is viewed by people 40 and up. Teenagers have very little interest in it - why should they?

A few years back my wife changed jobs and in her new one she interfaces daily with many teenagers and young adults. Why would they want porn, they have an entire sub culture that involves nothing more than cell phones and social media sites.

On a pretty regular basis she has to settle arguments, often involving a young lady that provided a young man with a password to pictures of her in the nude and semi-nude. The dispute isn't about him viewing them (that was the intention all along), but that he allowed friends to view them as well.

The kids have there own language, spaces, and places in cyber space where they get up to things that would make Hugh Hefner blush. Sadly, this goes on right under most parents nose without a clue as to its existence. (I will fully admit that until my wife took this job, I had NO idea that such things went on. In the interest of keeping some morality on the board, I won't mention any of the other activities frequently documented.)

All I can say is, in 20-30 years the social mores better change such that nude pictures and pictures of people engaging in sex acts are no longer controversial - or there are going to be one hell of a lot of embarrassed people!

16 posted on 08/04/2012 3:27:47 PM PDT by I cannot think of a name
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To: EEGator

No, I wasn’t being sarcastic. I was referring to our American culture...that which it used to be and that which it is now, more’s the pity. Few republics have lasted as long as ours. You can see by the present state of ours why that is true, human nature being what it is. It is a good time to be old, other than having to witness the degradation of a once great culture.


17 posted on 08/04/2012 3:33:38 PM PDT by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: gorush

Understood. The future is not set though.


18 posted on 08/04/2012 3:41:07 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: Morgana

Instead of looking at porn from the point of view of sin or not sin, it might be better to examine it from the viewpoint of “malfunction.”

(Imagine the following in Sir David Attenborough’s voice.)

Someone once observed that females are compelled to “exhibit the goods” to potential mates, as much as males are compelled to watch this exhibition “like lions watch gazelles.”

The problem is that it is left up to females to figure out how to do this, and they are as likely as not to do it wrong. For example, in fashion, for a girl to have one item of clothing, or an accessory, that is a little peculiar, actually make her more attractive to other people.

But dressing like a space alien freak is a big turn off.

And for a lot of women, the extreme of “less is more” in their clothing, leads to porn, especially if they get paid for this malfunctioning natural inclination.

The same thing applies to males who spend their days porn gazing. With living, breathing females, seeing them exhibit, even in a very ordinary, normal and not naughty way, means that they now need to approach the female as a potential suitor, if they are interested.

But they cannot do this to an image from halfway around the world. Again, it is a malfunction in the system.


19 posted on 08/04/2012 4:02:26 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: Morgana

Oddly enough, Screwtape often spoke truth. C. S. Lewis always got it right. Never moreso than in “That Hideous Strength” whose most most repulsive villain is a sadistic lesbian. Because the perversion is the major part of the villainy, no whitewash offered by today’s enlightened views manages to erase it.


20 posted on 08/04/2012 4:17:42 PM PDT by Mach9
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To: gorush

“I sometimes wonder if an EMP wouldn’t be the best thing for our culture.”

The best thing for our culture would be to accept Jesus Christ and His values.


21 posted on 08/04/2012 4:25:02 PM PDT by MikeSteelBe (Austrian Hitler was, as the Halfrican Hitler does.)
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To: gorush

“I sometimes wonder if an EMP wouldn’t be the best thing for our culture.”

I hear you. We’ll probably get one whether we like it or not - the ONLY hope is that we prepare for it. Newt talked about it - the rest of the field didn’t want to get labeled as a kook (just like they would have in 1943/44 if they claimed one bomb could blow the crap out of a city).


22 posted on 08/04/2012 4:35:44 PM PDT by BobL (Cruz'd to Victory - July 31, 2012)
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To: Morgana
<---this is me.

At least since I started using Calvin Klein MAN.

23 posted on 08/04/2012 5:02:59 PM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: martin_fierro

Interesting lighting.

Do you find you’re having more luck attracting men with your new scent?


24 posted on 08/04/2012 5:33:12 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Get another cat.)
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To: Morgana

About 15 years ago I watched a TV magazine (20/20 or 60 minutes or...) segment on this topic. Young men in college were talking about their increasing struggles with dating because there weren’t many women who were attractive according to the media view (extremely slender, excellent complexion, full mane of hair, body in elegant proportion). They seemed to see past and through the women attending classes with them who were too ordinary to matter.

One very handsome young man perceptively said “I don’t know how it happened but somehow it seems like, to be pretty, a woman has to be skinny. If she’s not skinny, I’m not attracted to her...” He said he knew and enjoyed many of his female classmates but basically wasn’t attracted to them and he kind of wondered how the girls felt about that. And so these men felt that competition for ‘interesting’ women was overwhelming because there were so very few women who made the grade.

The women, when interviewed, were of mixed opinion. Some were resigned to it and hoped to have a fuller dating life upon graduation (i.e., more fish in the sea) and some reported being invisible. Some girls talked about walking down the hall and hearing congregated groups of men assign numeric ratings to their backsides, busts etc. and how terrible it was to hear daily ratings telling them how far they were from being attractive (i.e., per the cosmetic promise of the media).


25 posted on 08/04/2012 5:41:36 PM PDT by ransomnote
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To: ransomnote
extremely slender, excellent complexion, full mane of hair, body in elegant proportion

You don't have to be skeletal, but you do have to have the rest, otherwise you're dating a pig and perpetuating their inferior genetic traits, or worse, rewarding the slovenly behavior that caused them to be so unhealthy.

26 posted on 08/04/2012 5:46:41 PM PDT by Sirius Lee (Goode over evil. Voting for mitt or obie is like throwing your country away.)
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To: Sirius Lee

Some women are ‘short-waisted’ which may or may not be in style (results in nice long legs but compresses the torso in dresses and blouses). Some are long-waisted which creates an elegant long torso but, unlike Michele Pfiefer, often results in shorter legs that may not look good in skirts. Some ladies have very narrow shoulders, some have broad. Flat chested or pendulous breasts. Problem skin (even with dermatology) or porcelain skin. Some have an “athletic build” and therefore a low waist to hip ratio like Jane Fonda had until she had ribs removed to get more of an hour glass look. We’re talking bone structure and genetics and hopefully stopping short of having ribs removed and not pigs or slobs. And note that the men who sought these model women were often not model men. Unfortunately, like the impossible advertisement above, men are being bombarded with impossible cosmetics standards for the male physique too but the women are way out ahead of them.


27 posted on 08/04/2012 6:27:36 PM PDT by ransomnote
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To: gorush

You’re really catching it for that comment I see, but your point is well made.


28 posted on 08/04/2012 6:30:57 PM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: martin_fierro

What? You mean you don’t look like Fabio???

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EeqihpskV0


29 posted on 08/04/2012 6:50:33 PM PDT by Morgana (Eat at Chick-Fil-A)
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To: Morgana
Profane not thy daughter, to make her a harlot, lest the land fall into harlotry, and the land become full of lewdness.
Leviticus 19.29

30 posted on 08/04/2012 7:23:42 PM PDT by jonatron (This is the Land of the Free, the Home of the Brave.)
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To: ransomnote
Well stated. I'm short-waisted with okay boobs, but a larger than average posterior. How I wish to have been born in the era where high-waisted Empire-gowns were the style! Now those clothes flattered a woman like me.

Fashions for women today favor a specific type: one with a concave belly and slight hips. Even my 5'7" 127 lb daughter doesn't look good in those ridiculous low-rise jeans (originally designed for men). Women shouldn't be so concerned with trends, but wear what looks good on them,, so idiot men can see that various feminine body types are attractive with clothes on as well as without.

What happened to the days when a man appreciated all beautiful, nude female forms: slightly plump yet firm, curvy, athletic, petite, tall, or naturally thin?

If a man is only attracted to plasticized, hairless, orange-fleshed women with silicone butts and boobs, who have tattooed makeup & hair extensions, and have plastic surgery to remove their ribs & make their vulvas "pretty," those men might as well go full-hog and date a transexual, not a real woman.

And the Asians are getting closer to creating realistic sexbots... ;-)

31 posted on 08/04/2012 10:27:59 PM PDT by two134711 (I am Conservative, no longer a Republican.)
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To: Morgana
Hey, don't knock Fabio. :) Back in the day having him on a book cover sold a lot of copies. He was a silly-looking beefcake, but an appreciative gentleman to his many fans. He made covers fun and flashy. This is my favorite, but there are much worse out there:

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But, Morgana, since you're an MST3K fan, you're cool with me! That clip you linked to happened to come from one of their funniest episodes, where they ripped on one of John Norman's Gor movies (can you believe they made a sequel to that junk?) The books weren't as bad as the movies, but that's not saying much.

32 posted on 08/04/2012 10:36:00 PM PDT by two134711 (I am Conservative, no longer a Republican.)
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To: two134711

What I like best about MST3K?

They question things and answer the great mysteries of the universe...

http://youtu.be/LTkulXMkx_0


33 posted on 08/05/2012 1:42:02 PM PDT by Morgana (Eat at Chick-Fil-A)
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To: gorush
I sometimes wonder if an EMP wouldn’t be the best thing for our culture.

Sort of like shock therapy?

34 posted on 08/07/2012 12:25:32 PM PDT by Albion Wilde (Liberty means responsibility. That is why most men dread it. -- George Bernard Shaw)
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To: I cannot think of a name
Most of the porn they are talking about is viewed by people 40 and up. Teenagers have very little interest in it - why should they?

You've never had any pre-teen boys without driver's licenses living in your home and messing with computers, have you?

35 posted on 08/07/2012 12:29:23 PM PDT by Albion Wilde (Liberty means responsibility. That is why most men dread it. -- George Bernard Shaw)
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To: MikeSteelBe; gorush
“I sometimes wonder if an EMP wouldn’t be the best thing for our culture.”

The best thing for our culture would be to accept Jesus Christ and His values.



36 posted on 08/07/2012 12:38:22 PM PDT by Albion Wilde (Liberty means responsibility. That is why most men dread it. -- George Bernard Shaw)
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To: martin_fierro

I used to know “Mrs” Calvin Klein. Went to art school with him.


37 posted on 08/07/2012 12:40:45 PM PDT by Albion Wilde (Liberty means responsibility. That is why most men dread it. -- George Bernard Shaw)
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To: Albion Wilde

“You’ve never had any pre-teen boys without driver’s licenses living in your home and messing with computers, have you?”

Sure

But my point is, you would not believe what teenagers are getting up to - entirely on their own. They produce and distribute stuff among themselves that most people would have a hard time believing. (Before my wife’s job, I most certainly would have lost a bet on the subject.)

If all the outside porn produced on the planet suddenly disappeared, it wouldn’t stop the stuff going on right under our noses.


38 posted on 08/07/2012 1:44:14 PM PDT by I cannot think of a name
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To: I cannot think of a name
my point is, you would not believe what teenagers are getting up to - entirely on their own. They produce and distribute stuff among themselves that most people would have a hard time believing.

I would believe it, having had teenagers in the house. That's where the hard parenting comes in. I was in shock after calling a number of other parents to discuss what our pre-teens and teens were up to. Most either dismissed any concerns or actually "supported" their kids doing anything they wanted. We took the risk of making our offspring pariahs by insisting that other parents did not have the right to inflict their values on ours by encouraging them to have sex at the other parents' house. We had to make legal threats to back us up. But it was worth it; and 15 years on, ours are succeeding where theirs are ready for the Betty Ford clinic.

39 posted on 08/07/2012 2:03:33 PM PDT by Albion Wilde (Liberty means responsibility. That is why most men dread it. -- George Bernard Shaw)
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