We live in America, not Cuba or Iran , people are entitled to the presumption of innocence. I thought we believed in the 4th amendment as conservatives. I guess we just decide when we don’t like someone that individual is guilty of something. That is my point.
“Presumption of innocence” is not just a blind mantra we hum.
The standard for conviction in a criminal case is “guilty beyond a reasonable doubt”.
There can be no reasonable doubt that Joe Paterno did not know what Jerry Sandusky was doing.
Paterno’s huge mistake was in not insisting that Sandusky be completely barred from campus until the allegations were completely investigated and a decision made. I don’t think Paterno had any intention to enable Sandusky, but Paterno’s decision not to take a strong stance had the effect of enabling. Paterno had clear responsibility which he failed to fulfil, but he is not the monster that some are trying to make him out to be.
NCAA is not a court of law. They investigate and impose sanctions under their own guidelines as is their right.
Penn State can add or remove statues without the government's approval.
Most conservatives know it’s the Sixth Amendment to the Constitution that guarantees the right to a trial.
As was pointed out yesterday on another thread, by that logic Hiler is innocent.
As was pointed out yesterday on another thread, by that logic Hiler is innocent.
“I thought we believed in the 4th amendment as conservatives.”
Sure, we believe in the 4th amendment, but that amendment is only a restriction on the government, not on the individual. We, as individuals, are all free to form our own opinions as to whether someone is guilty or innocent.
With Paterno, it isn’t about “not liking” him. There are plenty of people, like me, who had no opinion about the guy one way or the other, before this case became news, who have concluded that the guy made some really bad, probably criminal decisions. We didn’t conclude that because we wanted to, but because that’s what the evidence suggests. The public is not going to pretend that evidence doesn’t exist because Paterno died before he had his day in court.
this has nothing to do with the 4th amendment.
why don’t we just dig up Papa Joe and give him his rights.
He will have in abstentia due process throughout these civil cases.
What 4th amendment????He was NEVER charged.
Talk about twisting conservatism into a pretzel just to defend a predator enabler. Go for it.
This isn’t a criminal matter. There is no 4th amendment violation. The NCAA doesn’t hold trials. An investigation was done, and penalties are being doled out accordingly. Relax Matlock.