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NCAA imposes stiff penalties on Penn State
Philadelphia Inquirer ^ | July 23, 2012 | Jeremy Roebuck

Posted on 07/23/2012 8:24:17 AM PDT by Zakeet

College sports' governing body today suspended Penn State's football team from postseason bowl play for four years and fined the university $60 million for its handling of the Jerry Sandusky child sex abuse scandal.

The team also must vacate all wins from 1998 through 2011.

"The career record of former head football coach Joe Paterno will reflect these vacated records," the NCAA said in a statement. "Penn State must also reduce 10 initial and 20 total scholarships each year for a four-year period. In addition, the NCAA reserves the right to impose additional sanctions on involved individuals at the conclusion of any criminal proceedings."

The fines are to be paid into an endowment for non-university programs preventing child sexual abuse or assisting victims, the NCAA said.

"The NCAA recognizes that student-athletes are not responsible for these events and worked to minimize the impact of its sanctions on current and incoming football student-athletes," the statement said. "Any entering or returning student-athlete will be allowed to immediately transfer and compete at another school. Further, any football student-athletes who remain at the university may retain their scholarships, regardless of whether they compete on the team."

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To: outpostinmass2
I also believe McQuery was given a full-time job at Penn State for keeping the shower incident “in house”.

If that's is how Penn State dealt with reports of sexual misconduct, then no wonder there are so many employees there -- 2500 at last count.

It appears that Penn State had a culture of fear as reported by the janitors employed there, created by Paterno.

Too bad they didn't report it. They too might have gotten raises and new jobs to keep the shower incident in house as well.

301 posted on 07/26/2012 4:29:09 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip
Yes, the BoT paid 6 million for the report and got slammed themselves!

Who is saying that the Trustess are not accountable as well for allowing Paterno unlimited power?

302 posted on 07/26/2012 10:09:42 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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To: dfwgator
I agree, I think a great deal more is going to come out, if investigations are being done.
303 posted on 07/26/2012 10:11:27 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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To: fortheDeclaration
What unlimited power??? When he called a news conference to speak to the press about the scandal in 2011, he was told to shut it down by President Graham Spanier, and did.

So who had the power???

304 posted on 07/26/2012 10:17:19 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip
Who are you kidding! Paterno was the power in that school!

They couldn't even get him to resign.

305 posted on 07/26/2012 10:31:07 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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To: fortheDeclaration
Paterno was the power in that school!

Did he control the budgets, personnel, curriculum of the different departments -- or just the football program??? He like any football coach ran the only program at the school that made a profit and paid for all the other sports programs. In that respect -- yes.

They couldn't even get him to resign.

If he was so powerful then how did President Spanier think he could force his resignation. He mustn't have thought he was that powerful if he tried to get him to resign.

306 posted on 07/26/2012 10:48:30 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip
also believe McQuery was given a full-time job at Penn State for keeping the shower incident “in house”.
If that's is how Penn State dealt with reports of sexual misconduct, then no wonder there are so many employees there — 2500 at last count.


This is how Joe Paterno dealt with the problem this one time. That is enough right there.

It appears that Penn State had a culture of fear as reported by the janitors employed there, created by Paterno.

Too bad they didn't report it. They too might have gotten raises and new jobs to keep the shower incident in house as well.


Maybe. But they didn't. Remember McQuery had to meet in a secret location off campus with the investigators. Penn State appears to be a strange place, kind of cult like.

307 posted on 07/30/2012 11:36:09 AM PDT by outpostinmass2
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To: outpostinmass2

Happy Valley is fairly secluded, especially in winter. The Penn State football program kept a tight control on who they gave press credentials out to, any negative press would result in their press credentials getting pulled. Not many other schools could have exerted that kind of control over the media.


308 posted on 07/30/2012 11:40:12 AM PDT by dfwgator (FUJR (not you, Jim))
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To: outpostinmass2

<>This is how Joe Paterno dealt with the problem this one time. That is enough right there.<>

The argument here could go either way.

What would it have said if Paterno had fired him — a week — a month — a year later??? Would that be proof of a cover-up??? Why not use your contacts and get him a coaching job far away in the Pac 10 where the shower and the incident would be a distant memory???

Why would someone interested in a coverup want to keep a witness to this around at all where he would tell of this incident to those he rubbed shoulders with — players, coaches, graduates, janitors??? Why keep him around where investigators would have easy access to him.

Did it ever occur to you that he kept him around so that he would be available to university and law enforcement authorities to interview.

And MM did tell the Grand Jury that no one at the university ever told him to keep his mouth shut. And remember he already told his father.

<>It appears that Penn State had a culture of fear as reported by the janitors employed there, created by Paterno.<>

The janitors did not report to Paterno. They answered to the facilities manager who could assign them to any one of 200 buildings at the university. Had the janitor reported the incident to his superior, the facilities manager, it would have taken a different route to the top altogether and there would have been two eyewitnesses against Sandusky. These janitors failed to follow the same procedure that MM followed. This says more about the janitors than anyone else for failing to report an incident to their superior. Their excuse falls short.


309 posted on 07/30/2012 12:45:53 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip
The argument here could go either way.

What would it have said if Paterno had fired him — a week — a month — a year later??? Would that be proof of a cover-up??? Why not use your contacts and get him a coaching job far away in the Pac 10 where the shower and the incident would be a distant memory???

Why would someone interested in a coverup want to keep a witness to this around at all where he would tell of this incident to those he rubbed shoulders with — players, coaches, graduates, janitors??? Why keep him around where investigators would have easy access to him.


Actually investigators did not have easy access to McQueery as the report indicates.


Did it ever occur to you that he kept him around so that he would be available to university and law enforcement authorities to interview.

Paterno was eleven years too late on contacting law enforcement. Not even the O.J. jury would believe something this absurd.

The janitors did not report to Paterno. They answered to the facilities manager who could assign them to any one of 200 buildings at the university. Had the janitor reported the incident to his superior, the facilities manager, it would have taken a different route to the top altogether and there would have been two eyewitnesses against Sandusky. These janitors failed to follow the same procedure that MM followed. This says more about the janitors than anyone else for failing to report an incident to their superior. Their excuse falls short.


Paterno fired people and got people fired. The janitors should have stopped the attack, reported the incident and called police. There is no excuse for what they did as there is no excuse for McQuerry. There is no excuse for Paterno, Spanier, Curley or Schultz either.

310 posted on 07/30/2012 1:28:40 PM PDT by outpostinmass2
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To: outpostinmass2

Did you know that the jury acquitted Sandusky of any criminal action in the incident that McQueary reported to Paterno. This incident around which there was supposedly this great coverup was found by the jury to be a non-incident.

http://www.johnziegler.com/editorials_details.asp?editorial=215

Is it true that there is a note in the Freeh Report from Paterno to Sandusky telling him not to bring The Second Mile kids to the football facilities anymore???


311 posted on 07/31/2012 7:07:15 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip
Did you know that the jury acquitted Sandusky of any criminal action in the incident that McQueary reported to Paterno. This incident around which there was supposedly this great coverup was found by the jury to be a non-incident.

http://www.johnziegler.com/editorials_details.asp?editorial=215


Is your real name John Ziegler? Your posts here match his editorials.
Yes I did know this and no it doesn't change anything.
The problem for you, Ziegler and the other Paterno apologist is that the shower victim has come forward now. If the victim had come forward during the trial Sandusky would have been convicted of that charge as well.

Before writing anymore theories you should read-up on Occam's razor:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam%27s_razor

The Freeh Report has this statement written about five times “No record or communication indicates that anyone made any effort to determine the identity of the child in the shower or whether the child had been harmed.”

312 posted on 07/31/2012 8:33:02 AM PDT by outpostinmass2
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To: outpostinmass2
The problem for you, Ziegler and the other Paterno apologist is that the shower victim has come forward now.

No -- the problem for this shower victim's lawyers in the civil trial will be whose testimony to affirm in this incident: Paterno's saying something of a sexual nature did occur according to McQueary which was set aside by the jury or McQueary's doctor saying that he reported that it wasn't sexual which was relied upon by the jury.

That jury decision presents a problem for Freeh's Report that he conveniently avoided. And it will present a problem for any prosecution of Curry, et al because McQueary will get torn apart on the stand.

The Freeh Report has this statement written about five times “No record or communication indicates that anyone made any effort to determine the identity of the child in the shower or whether the child had been harmed.”

That's not exactly true. Since the boy was from The Second Mile, they notified the Second Mile of the incident. What did the Second Mile do with the information??? Did Freeh follow that trail???

313 posted on 07/31/2012 9:10:48 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip
No — the problem for this shower victim's lawyers in the civil trial will be whose testimony to affirm in this incident: Paterno’s saying something of a sexual nature did occur according to McQueary which was set aside by the jury or McQueary’s doctor saying that he reported that it wasn't sexual which was relied upon by the jury.

That jury decision presents a problem for Freeh’s Report that he conveniently avoided. And it will present a problem for any prosecution of Curry, et al because McQueary will get torn apart on the stand.


McQueary already testified once, and his testimony wasn't “torn apart”. I hope the shower victim wins and gets everything he deserves. And when he does win the civil trial and even more evidence emerges Penn State will look even worse. These children were mostly all attacked at Penn State. There were two more boys attacked in Penn States showers in 2001, after this incedent was swepped under the rug.


The Freeh Report has this statement written about five times “No record or communication indicates that anyone made any effort to determine the identity of the child in the shower or whether the child had been harmed.”

That's not exactly true. Since the boy was from The Second Mile, they notified the Second Mile of the incident. What did the Second Mile do with the information??? Did Freeh follow that trail???


That is entirely true. The Freeh report even states that Sandusky, when contacted by Spanier, offered up the name of the child but Spanier refused this knowledge. Penn State didn't notify Second Mile until a full month after the incident. And Spanier completely played down what took place. Spanier never even mentioned what happened to Penn States Counsel.

Paterno et al never wanted to know the identity of the child.

314 posted on 07/31/2012 9:30:44 AM PDT by outpostinmass2
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