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NCAA imposes stiff penalties on Penn State
Philadelphia Inquirer ^ | July 23, 2012 | Jeremy Roebuck

Posted on 07/23/2012 8:24:17 AM PDT by Zakeet

College sports' governing body today suspended Penn State's football team from postseason bowl play for four years and fined the university $60 million for its handling of the Jerry Sandusky child sex abuse scandal.

The team also must vacate all wins from 1998 through 2011.

"The career record of former head football coach Joe Paterno will reflect these vacated records," the NCAA said in a statement. "Penn State must also reduce 10 initial and 20 total scholarships each year for a four-year period. In addition, the NCAA reserves the right to impose additional sanctions on involved individuals at the conclusion of any criminal proceedings."

The fines are to be paid into an endowment for non-university programs preventing child sexual abuse or assisting victims, the NCAA said.

"The NCAA recognizes that student-athletes are not responsible for these events and worked to minimize the impact of its sanctions on current and incoming football student-athletes," the statement said. "Any entering or returning student-athlete will be allowed to immediately transfer and compete at another school. Further, any football student-athletes who remain at the university may retain their scholarships, regardless of whether they compete on the team."

(Excerpt) Read more at philly.com ...


TOPICS: Local News; Sports
KEYWORDS: absolutemorals; coverup; homosexualagenda; ncaa; pennstate; sandusky
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To: dfwgator
Can you imagine what would happen to Gainesville without Gator Football?

The crime rate would plummet??????

hehehehehehehehe ;-)

151 posted on 07/23/2012 10:01:59 AM PDT by commish (Freedom tastes sweetest to those who have fought to preserve it.)
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To: Uncle Chip
Talk about rewriting history.

It's clear at this point that the sainted Joe Pa and co. covered up Sandusky's despicable crimes, and they should be held accountable for them. But you're correct: vacating all those PSU wins *is* rewriting history, and IMO, has a whiff of Stalinism about it.

Regardless of how much we despise the actions/inactions of certain people, the past is the past. No matter how much he tried, Stalin was unable to erase the names of Trotsky, Bukharin, Yezhov, et al. from history, and all of us that are riding our indignant high horses are not going to be able to erase Joe Paterno's name and the successes of his teams either.

152 posted on 07/23/2012 10:03:45 AM PDT by bassmaner (Hey commies: I am a white male, and I am guilty of NOTHING! Sell your 'white guilt' elsewhere.)
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To: outpostinmass2

www.thefreehreportonpdsu.com

Everyone interested on this should read it.


153 posted on 07/23/2012 10:04:32 AM PDT by outpostinmass2
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To: commish
The crime rate would plummet??????

Well there is that. Then again same could be said for any big program.

154 posted on 07/23/2012 10:05:35 AM PDT by dfwgator (FUJR (not you, Jim))
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To: commish

You’re asking for trouble now!
(Seriously, Gville is a liberal shithole aside from the college)


155 posted on 07/23/2012 10:05:53 AM PDT by EEGator
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To: EEGator
Gville is a liberal shithole aside from the college

Yeah, pretty much.

156 posted on 07/23/2012 10:08:13 AM PDT by dfwgator (FUJR (not you, Jim))
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To: Perdogg; traderrob6
BTW, Paterno is getting a bum rap. (MO)

I guess everyone except JoePa is entitled to due process.

For over a decade, "JoePa" woke up every day and made the decision not to call the cops on a homosexual pedophile predator. That adds up to thousands of bad decisions.

JoePa may not have received the prison time he so richly deserves on this earth for enabling a homosexual predator, but I'm sure that wherever he is at, that he is feeling the heat for letting a monster roam his precious football facilities and campus.
157 posted on 07/23/2012 10:08:37 AM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: Zakeet

My question is who in the NCAA had prior knowledge of this, heard the scuttle and did nothing as well—like report what they heard to police?


158 posted on 07/23/2012 10:11:43 AM PDT by WKUHilltopper (And yet...we continue to tolerate this crap...)
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To: Perdogg

Well..then how about trying him “in abstentia’?
the evidence is there. Paterno will get due process when his Employer, PSU will have the ability to refute any allegations of Paterno’s involvement in upcoming trials.

Guess those boys that were molested and raped didn’t have the opportunity to file charges when they were children to stop the abuse...Now THAT’s no due process!


159 posted on 07/23/2012 10:12:01 AM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie
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To: dfwgator
Well there is that. Then again same could be said for any big program.

True Dat. I don't even want to think of how many times my Dawgs have been in the running for or won the "Fulmer Cup" the last few years.

I think the way they practice fumble recovery drills at UGA is to tape a joint to the football and toss it on the ground.

160 posted on 07/23/2012 10:12:37 AM PDT by commish (Freedom tastes sweetest to those who have fought to preserve it.)
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To: dfwgator

Who cares? Maybe if State College. PA and Penn State cared more about child rape instead of minor league amateur football maybe they wouldn’t be in this boat. This goes for all other college towns too. While previous college football corruption was not as disgusting as the Penn State situation, it’s the culture of college football that creates these problems. The NCAA needs to drop the hammer on schools that violate the rules in the future. If that hurts the team, who cares?


161 posted on 07/23/2012 10:14:12 AM PDT by wrcase
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To: USMCWife6869
Upon further investigation, I found the students who do leave will be losing their scholarships. They will either lose the scholarship and have to pay as a walk-on at their new school or, if the new school gives them a scholarship, it will come from a scholarship from another student.

Not really. A gaining school will have to have a scholarship to give. Athletic scholarships open all the time for a variety of reasons, rarely does a recruiting class move all the way through their eligibility intact. Say a very talented athlete wants to transfer to UNC. They will no doubt have a couple of slots available without stripping an scholarship from a current athlete.

A PSU player who may not have developed into the type of athlete everyone projected will be able to leave the PSU team and heep his scholarship at PSU.

162 posted on 07/23/2012 10:14:50 AM PDT by Gamecock (We don't come to Christ to be born again; rather, we are born again in order to come to Christ. RCS)
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To: DeaconRed

Big Ten just said the PSU cannot share in Bowl Revenues.

They are done in the Big Ten, IMHO....actually the Big East probably would take them.


163 posted on 07/23/2012 10:14:50 AM PDT by dfwgator (FUJR (not you, Jim))
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To: DeaconRed
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164 posted on 07/23/2012 10:15:02 AM PDT by tx_eggman (Liberalism is only possible in that moment when a man chooses Barabas over Christ.)
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To: DeaconRed

Now time to Move on to Indiana University Bloomington and Get sanctions on University whose Professor and Part time IU Badminton Coach was a Self Confessed Pedophile of Boy scouts while camping.He was the #13 Eagle Scout in Existence. He also wrote about Sex and wrote a study where one Part documented over 300 Plus cases of pedophilia sodomy or Masturbation and categorized them by age groups starting with <6 months old. His study was called Human sexuality of the Male and he was the Father of the Sexual Revolution His name ALFRED Kinsey. NCAA begin the sanctions!


165 posted on 07/23/2012 10:15:48 AM PDT by philly-d-kidder (AB-Sheen"The truth is the truth if nobody believes it,a lie is still a lie, everybody believes it")
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To: Perdogg
We live in America, not Cuba or Iran , people are entitled to the presumption of innocence. I thought we believed in the 4th amendment as conservatives. I guess we just decide when we don’t like someone that individual is guilty of something. That is my point.

If somebody reported to you that a man was raping little boys using the facilities that you control, would you pick up the phone and call the cops?

It's a simple yes or no question, no need to play any word games. Yes or no.
166 posted on 07/23/2012 10:16:27 AM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: Perdogg

“I thought we believed in the 4th amendment as conservatives.”

Sure, we believe in the 4th amendment, but that amendment is only a restriction on the government, not on the individual. We, as individuals, are all free to form our own opinions as to whether someone is guilty or innocent.

With Paterno, it isn’t about “not liking” him. There are plenty of people, like me, who had no opinion about the guy one way or the other, before this case became news, who have concluded that the guy made some really bad, probably criminal decisions. We didn’t conclude that because we wanted to, but because that’s what the evidence suggests. The public is not going to pretend that evidence doesn’t exist because Paterno died before he had his day in court.


167 posted on 07/23/2012 10:16:27 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: commish

I think now that is part of the reason Urban Meyer is no longer at Florida, he was starting to get some heat for the many arrests, found out some people in the administration didn’t have his back, and basically quit on them.


168 posted on 07/23/2012 10:16:48 AM PDT by dfwgator (FUJR (not you, Jim))
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To: ryan71

sorry, but in an case of college sports wrongdoing..the NCAA will meet out restrictions, punishments and fines...Those that aren’t involved suffer the consequences as well.

“Innocents” get the consequences just as those who comitted the actual guilty act..just in this case its very severe consequences...we never hear “that’s not fair to the others” if its just a one game supsension or such.

That is part of being on a “TEAM”...if you win bigtime, you get the glory, if something bad happens, you get the shame.


169 posted on 07/23/2012 10:17:22 AM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

The other point was the make sure that Penn State could never use Paterno’s legacy as a selling point in the future. Twenty years from now, Penn State students will be saying “Joe Who?”


170 posted on 07/23/2012 10:19:18 AM PDT by dfwgator (FUJR (not you, Jim))
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To: Gil4
Paterno heard the ‘allegations’ - an eye witness account - from a guy he gave a job to for the next decade plus.

Either McQueary wasn't a credible witness and Paterno gave him a job DESPITE him making up seeing things in the showers (that other people had seen before) - or McQueary was a credible witness and Paterno did nothing other than to give him a job - and then ignore Sandusky parading young boys around the Penn State campus for a decade plus - having them be his ‘dates’ at banquets, etc.

Paterno notified Sandusky that there was an eyewitness account of what he did in the shower - enabling him to silence the victim who still has never been heard from.

Paterno quashed the move the take this to actual authorities by saying it wouldn't be “humane”; humane to Sandusky - his concern was for Sandusky.

Paterno was directly involved in the cover-up that enabled Sandusky to continue raping boys - AND continue to use the Penn State facility as the “currency” with which he “groomed” his victims - and often the location of their rape.

It happened in Paterno’s facilities, due to Paterno doing everything he could to cover it up.

171 posted on 07/23/2012 10:20:14 AM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: 100American
No one at [USC] had any incolvement in this action but they were “cited” by the NCAA for lack of institutional control, no trial was held and it was a decision from a Board of Trustees, not a trial.

1. The NCAA determined that an assistant football coach had knowledge of the improper benefits that Reggie Bush's parents were receiving.

2. Reggie Bush received improper benefits directly (remember his car? The rims? The stereo system? The clothes? The trips? The spending money?). Not all of the benefits went to his parents.

3. USC was permitting agents to have sideline access during football games, and locker room access before and after games.

4. At the same time that Reggie Bush and his parents were receiving benefits, basketball player OJ Majo was receiving cash and benefits from a booster.

When your start football player and basketball player are both receiving improper benefits, your football team is improperly permitting sports agents onto the sidelines and into the locker rooms, and an assistant coach knew about the benefits to Reggie Bush's family - that's lack of institutional control.

172 posted on 07/23/2012 10:20:14 AM PDT by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it)
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To: dfwgator

It really is about the cover-up since 1998 and the NCAA took Paterno’s wins away back to the first incident.


173 posted on 07/23/2012 10:21:07 AM PDT by jeeperz
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To: 100American
Three seconds of Google and here's the first post about the USC assistant coach who knew about the benefits to the Bush family.

Link

174 posted on 07/23/2012 10:22:11 AM PDT by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it)
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To: EEGator

That’s life....the local economy makes money if the TEAM wins and is drawing in people and money....If it doesn’t, oh well, that is the flip side.
You can’t just take the economic gains and if something happens to damage those possible future gains then demand that “it’s just a few people in the football group....”

No its PSU—in Glory, money days or in bad times.

BTW, THIS is exactly why no one wanted to prosecute Sandusky or stop him....EVERYBODY in that town was making money and the people that knew didn’t want to mess with that, or their own money or fame.


175 posted on 07/23/2012 10:22:28 AM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie
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To: NCLaw441

“But let’s say Sandusky beat his wife, and Paterno got wind of it. Is Paterno supposed to publicize this and advise the NCAA about it?”

No, he would not be required to alert the NCAA. But if he covered up a crime to prevent negative publicity harmful to the Penn State football program, thus avoiding a negative impact on recruiting and donations, then yes, the NCAA would punish the school.


176 posted on 07/23/2012 10:23:16 AM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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To: ilgipper
I think you nailed it exactly. There is essentially a lynch mob mentality right now in this case. He clearly mishandled, but the extent is being bent way out of proportion.

Waiting a few days or weeks to call the cops on a homosexual pedophile is mishandling things. Not doing anything for a decade is enabling the pedophile.

It's a shame the little boy being raped wasn't related to Paterno - if he loved his family as much as people said he did, he clearly would have done something to try and protect that little boy.
177 posted on 07/23/2012 10:23:24 AM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: dfwgator

Looks like Miami will be coming into focus very quickly, not for the same reasons but focus none the less. A bit of schadenfreude as it were considering big time backer (now deceased)Paul Dee was a member of the COI that hammered USC for far less in an unprecedented move.

The guy Shapiro mentioned in the article has been working with The U for years and all of this is about to come out, will not be pretty

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1266891-miami-hurricanes-staff-allegedly-used-booster-to-bypass-recruiting-restrictions?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=college-football


178 posted on 07/23/2012 10:24:22 AM PDT by 100American (Knowledge is knowing how, Wisdom is knowing when)
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To: 100American

Yep, Miami is going down, especially since it happened under their new coach.


179 posted on 07/23/2012 10:25:49 AM PDT by dfwgator (FUJR (not you, Jim))
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To: littleharbour

Paterno’s huge mistake was in not insisting that Sandusky be completely barred from campus until the allegations were completely investigated and a decision made..

...no, Paterno’s huge mistake was apparently convincing Curley to go against an original plan to notify the Child Welfare Agency...I understand that he may have felt he was helping a longtime friend and associate, but it was a blunder of immense proportions...


180 posted on 07/23/2012 10:27:30 AM PDT by IrishBrigade
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To: 100American

Speaking of Miami, I still think back to that 87 Fiesta Bowl, when Penn State played those thugs....of course, like most everyone then, I saw Penn State as the complete antithesis to Miami, I remember the Miami players wearing fatigues and all that. I was so happy when Penn State beat them. Little did I know...


181 posted on 07/23/2012 10:27:50 AM PDT by dfwgator (FUJR (not you, Jim))
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To: IrishBrigade
.I understand that he may have felt he was helping a longtime friend and associate, but it was a blunder of immense proportions...

Big mistake...huge!

182 posted on 07/23/2012 10:28:40 AM PDT by dfwgator (FUJR (not you, Jim))
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

You hit the nail on the head. I would like to see harsher penalties for even less infractions. For example, for schools like Ohio State, USC, and Miami, no home games for a year, all coaching staff of the offending team fired and banned from coaching NCAA for life, and firing of the athletic director and the administrators of the offending sport. If that destroys the program and hurts the local economy, tough shit, don’t violate the rules.


183 posted on 07/23/2012 10:31:56 AM PDT by wrcase
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

I understand your point, I just disagree with you. As I said on other posts, I’m fine with the NCAA’a penalties. I’m also in favor of going after everyone “in the know” financially and criminally.


184 posted on 07/23/2012 10:33:20 AM PDT by EEGator
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To: outpostinmass2
He wrote emails and made phone calls but never asked about the where abouts of the child.

How do you know that??? FWIU that child has never been found. And has anybody ever found Ray Gricar???

"In 1998, the case was referred to then-Centre County District Attorney Ray Gricar, who declined to prosecute the case in 1998, the grand jury found. Gricar’s decision has not been explained. He has been missing since 2005 and has since been declared dead after authorities recovered his abandoned car and the prosecutor’s computer, absent its hard drive. State police spokesman Sgt. Anthony Manetta said there is no apparent link between the prosecutor’s disappearance and the Sandusky case.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/bigten/story/2011-11-10/jerry-sandusky-investigation-victim-1-cover/51160950/1

Something here doesn't pass the smell test. The DA aided by a child psychologist in the first case finds no evidence to charge??? Why is that Joe's fault??? And then the Board of Trustees that told Joe Paterno to not speak to the press in a news conference hires someone for 6 million dollars to contain the blame and dump as much as possible on Joe Paterno.

185 posted on 07/23/2012 10:33:26 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Gil4

“My understanding is Paterno heard some allegations and reported them to his superiors at the university.”

I think your understanding isn’t based on the most recent relevations. Paterno not only heard the allegations, but he knew about the prior incident, he led the cover-up, he allowed Sandusky to continue to access the facilities where the rape occurred, and he did nothing to stop Sandusky from continuing to bring kids to those facilities for years afterwards.


186 posted on 07/23/2012 10:34:01 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Scoutmaster

The assertion that McNair “knew” about the improper benefits is based on the unchallenged testimony of an ex con who called Regie Bush, not McNair, and spoke to McNair on Bush’s phone one time. There was no other evidence that McNair knew anything. The NCAA had its mind made up beforehand.


187 posted on 07/23/2012 10:36:38 AM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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To: Uncle Chip

Read the freeh report on Penn State.

All the had written notes and emails are attached to the end of the report.

Not one time did Paterno or anyone at that school try to find that child. In fact Paterno and the school president informed Sandusky of what McQueery witnessed. I wouldn’t be surprised if Sandusky killed that child.


188 posted on 07/23/2012 10:38:51 AM PDT by outpostinmass2
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To: Scoutmaster

Oh, and the ex con in question was not a registered sports agent, so that’s out the window too.


189 posted on 07/23/2012 10:39:23 AM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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To: dfwgator

Exactly...college sports, like all major sports is big business:TV; endorsements, Bowl games. it certainly isn’t about all those young players and their lives.

But like all of life, more so here, “Its a gamble”...( and actually a betting scene). Joe and his PSU big shot buddies took a risk, rolled the dice in favor of layin’ low. They lost.

What is sickening is that they played this “gamble” for money and fame and just let those young boys get churned up and hurt in real life on the paterno/PSU roulette wheel.

RAH! RAH!


190 posted on 07/23/2012 10:39:23 AM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

No question that today is a watershed moment for college athletics in general. I don’t know exactly what the ramifications will be in the long run, but it has definitely changed because of this.


191 posted on 07/23/2012 10:44:28 AM PDT by dfwgator (FUJR (not you, Jim))
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To: DuncanWaring

“It makes a point that this sort of thing WILL NOT BE TOLERATED.”

Indeed. Not to be tolerated at Penn State or anywhere else, i.e., you other NCAA schools, take heed at what we did to Penn State.

And for those whining about punishing “innocent” people by punishing the institution, well, I say that, yes, some innocent people do get punished when an institution is punished, but an institution is made up of individuals, and there is such a thing as in institutional culture, and that culture derives from the collective actions and attitudes of its leaders and individual members, both current and past, and you can bet that there are still a whole bunch of Penn State folks on the periphery of this that really aren’t quite as innocent as they seem, and who are breathing a collective sigh of relief they they weren’t part of the few singled out as scapegoats.

This institution deserves to be punished for its secretive and abusive culture and the horrific deeds this culture fostered against defenseless and innocent children. Penn State deserves to be punished both for the thing itself, as well as a strong warning to other institutions to not allow the same thing to happen again.


192 posted on 07/23/2012 10:45:15 AM PDT by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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It really isn’t surprising to see the support for Joe Paterno even after all that has come out regarding his enabling of Sandusky’s crimes. It is just so hard to fathom that he failed so miserably; you can imagine a Barry Switzer doing something like that, but Paterno??? It is a great tragedy all the way around.


193 posted on 07/23/2012 10:45:15 AM PDT by Arkansas Toothpick
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To: Perdogg

this has nothing to do with the 4th amendment.

why don’t we just dig up Papa Joe and give him his rights.

He will have in abstentia due process throughout these civil cases.

What 4th amendment????He was NEVER charged.
Talk about twisting conservatism into a pretzel just to defend a predator enabler. Go for it.


194 posted on 07/23/2012 10:45:30 AM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie
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To: Boogieman; Gil4

<>“My understanding is Paterno heard some allegations and reported them to his superiors at the university.” I think your understanding isn’t based on the most recent revelations.<>

I think your understanding isn’t based on the most recent revelations, either:

He did too report them and the DA Ray Gricar failed to prosecute and then disappeared in 2005:

http://www.johnziegler.com/editorials_details.asp?editorial=219


195 posted on 07/23/2012 10:46:14 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

This is the thinly-disguised hatred of the football culture expressed by academic types who inhabit both the member institutions and the NCAA itself.

Note that all the Title IX women’s programs are happy to cash the checks written by the football teams because liberals still believe someone, somewhere wants to watch women’s crew.

But they still hate football Saturdays which are, of course, a ritual demonstration and celebration of traditional, nuclear family, Judeo-Christian American culture.

It’s the ultimate in ivory tower hubris to declare that a result of a game - which involved dozens of players, coaches and officials, up to 100,000 people saw in person along with millions more on television - is now null and void. To apply this magic wand to over a decade of contests is flat-out silly.

What happens when a professor is exposed as a fraud, a plagiarist, an agenda-driven plant, a dangerous radical or even a Sandusky type i.e. a member of NAMBLA? Does the institution sack the offender on the spot and disavow his writings, research, findings, opinions, etc.? No. They hem and haw and hide behind rubbish about academic freedom, peer review, tenure policies, etc.

The NCAA is like MADD, CSPI or any other self-appointed ‘force for good.’ Their true priorities are cash first, control second, perpetuation third. They are accountable to noone yet they are treated as experts, as enforcers, as judges, juries, and executioners by far too many.


196 posted on 07/23/2012 10:46:14 AM PDT by relictele
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To: SoCal Pubbie

The unjustified whining of USC fans over the Bush/Majo-related punishment has made them the laughingstock of the NCAA.


197 posted on 07/23/2012 10:48:47 AM PDT by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it)
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To: DeaconRed

I have a hunch tuition costs are going to suddenly skyrocket. They have to rip the 60 million out of someones hide.


198 posted on 07/23/2012 10:49:56 AM PDT by chessplayer
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To: outpostinmass2

I wouldn’t be surprised either. But is Joe Paterno the convenient scapegoat protecting other higher ups, like at the level of the Board of Trustees who paid him $6 million for a report to contain the damage below them:

http://www.johnziegler.com/editorials_details.asp?editorial=219

This is the same Board of Trustees that when Joe wanted to hold a news conference told him to cancel it and shut up.


199 posted on 07/23/2012 10:54:49 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: DeaconRed

“The NCAA recognizes that student-athletes are not responsible for these events and worked to minimize the impact of its sanctions on current and incoming football student-athletes,” the statement said.


Who the hell would want to join their football program after this. It’s not like there is a shortage of other big name football schools they could play for.


200 posted on 07/23/2012 10:55:38 AM PDT by chessplayer
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