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Eight American islands in the Bering Sea to be given to Russia by Obama!
Joe Miller.com ^ | Published: 02/16/2012 | Joe Miller

Posted on 04/16/2012 9:50:48 AM PDT by Mr Apple

Part of Obama’s apparent war against U.S. energy independence includes a foreign-aid program that directly threatens my state’s sovereign territory. Obama’s State Department is giving away seven strategic, resource-laden Alaskan islands to the Russians. Yes, to the Putin regime in the Kremlin.

The seven endangered islands in the Arctic Ocean and Bering Sea include one the size of Rhode Island and Delaware combined. The Russians are also to get the tens of thousands of square miles of oil-rich seabeds surrounding the islands. The Department of Interior estimates billions of barrels of oil are at stake.

The State Department has undertaken the giveaway in the guise of a maritime boundary agreement between Alaska and Siberia. Astoundingly, our federal government itself drew the line to put these seven Alaskan islands on the Russian side. But as an executive agreement, it could be reversed with the stroke of a pen by President Obama or Secretary Clinton.

The agreement was negotiated in total secrecy. The state of Alaska was not allowed to participate in the negotiations, nor was the public given any opportunity for comment. This is despite the fact the Alaska Legislature has passed resolutions of opposition – but the State Department doesn’t seem to care.

The imperiled Arctic Ocean islands include Wrangel, Bennett, Jeannette and Henrietta. Wrangel became American in 1881 with the landing of the U.S. Revenue Marine ship Thomas Corwin. The landing party included the famed naturalist John Muir. It is 3,000 square miles in size.

Northwest of Wrangel are the DeLong Islands, named for George Washington DeLong, the captain of USS Jeannette. Also in 1881, he discovered and claimed these three islands for the United States. He named them for the voyage co-sponsor, New York City newspaper publisher James Gordon Bennett. The ship’s crew received a hero’s welcome back in Washington, and Congress awarded them gold medals.

In the Bering Sea at the far west end of the Aleutian chain are Copper Island, Sea Lion Rock and Sea Otter Rock. They were ceded to the U.S. in Seward’s 1867 treaty with Russia.

Now is the time for the Obama administration to stand up for U.S. and Alaskan rights and invaluable resources. The State Department’s maritime agreement is a loser – it gives us nothing in return for giving up Alaska’s sovereign territory and invaluable resources. We won the Cold War and should start acting like it.

The Obama administration must stop the giveaway immediately.

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Author’s addendum, Feb. 17, 2012: This is not a new issue. In fact the Bush and Clinton administrations are directly at fault for the same inaction. A maritime agreement negotiated by the U.S. State Department set the Russian boundary on the other side of the disputed islands, but no treaty has ratified this action. Consequently, it is within the president’s power to stop this giveaway. The Alaska delegation’s failure to put pressure on the administration is inexplicable. State Department Watch, an organization that assisted with this article, has confronted each administration and is currently confronting the Obama administration — and has been met by silence. I’m hoping this piece will help reinvigorate efforts to stop this handover.


TOPICS: Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: alaska; beringsea; commieinchief; energy; energypolicy; islandsgiveaway; marxistcoup; oil; russia

1 posted on 04/16/2012 9:50:54 AM PDT by Mr Apple
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To: Mr Apple
This communists dictator King Obama is destroying America and the Senate and House are letting him. Impeachment should be the order but nothing done.
2 posted on 04/16/2012 9:52:56 AM PDT by Logical me
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To: Mr Apple

That’s all he can do for now.

After the election he’ll have more flexibility....


3 posted on 04/16/2012 9:53:33 AM PDT by null and void (Day 1182 of America's ObamaVacation from reality [Heroes aren't made Frank, they're cornered...])
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To: All

I can not find a direct link to this Miller piece, but I am sure the facts presented here are correct. Apparently Obama or Clinton can Stop this giveaway! Can anyone help me find a direct link please?


4 posted on 04/16/2012 9:53:45 AM PDT by Mr Apple
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To: Mr Apple

I hate to be a grump, but this is a February article, it has been discussed multiple times since February, and in fact has been discussed periodically over the past 8 years I’ve been here at FR, and apparently before that.

If you look at the islands in question, it will become clear why we agreed that they should be Russian, and why so few people are worked up over this.


5 posted on 04/16/2012 9:54:14 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Logical me
I did just now find the original wording Miller gave this piece and the date:

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Exclusive: Joe Miller sounds alarm over deal to put land in hands of Putin's Kremlin
Published: 02/16/2012

Obama's giveaway: Oil-rich islands to Russia
By Joe Miller (WND)

6 posted on 04/16/2012 9:57:57 AM PDT by Mr Apple
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To: CharlesWayneCT

Please provide reference to discussion approving this—especially Palin’s opinion on the matter. Thanks.


7 posted on 04/16/2012 9:58:49 AM PDT by loveliberty2
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To: Mr Apple

The problem is that these islands are over the International Date Line, in the Arctic Sea, above Siberia. As you know, I am not the biggest fan of Russia, but these islands were never claimed by the US at any time. In fact, these islands have Russian military outposts on them.


8 posted on 04/16/2012 9:59:15 AM PDT by Thunder90 (Romney barely won in OH with a 12-1 money advantage, he can't beat Obama that way.)
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To: Mr Apple

Has any other president in modern history or for that fact the history of the U.S. given away land that was founded by us to foreign countries? I mean I am sure there has to be some. But if these islands have vast amounts of oil and natural gas sitting underneath them then this would seem a little criminal to do this without Congressional approval or some type of oversight.


9 posted on 04/16/2012 10:01:00 AM PDT by 3rdcoastislander
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To: Mr Apple
It might help to do a little research before geetin worked up over this issue.

Alaskan island 'give-a-way'

10 posted on 04/16/2012 10:02:14 AM PDT by Michael.SF. (When you hear hooves, think horses, not zebras.)
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To: Thunder90
The problem is that these islands are over the International Date Line, in the Arctic Sea, above Siberia.

When you see this on the map it sure appears that they are out of our territory & thus is it a giveaway? I think not. However, Big Ears is always there to give away to the commies/Mooslims, anti-Americans.

11 posted on 04/16/2012 10:04:45 AM PDT by Digger (If RINO is your selection then failure is your election)
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To: null and void

That’s all he can do for now.

After the election he’ll have more flexibility....


Yup.. after the election he might just try to give them Alaska.


12 posted on 04/16/2012 10:09:26 AM PDT by cableguymn (Good thing I am a conservative. Otherwise I would have to support Mittens like Republicans do.)
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To: Mr Apple

“This is not a new issue. In fact the Bush and Clinton administrations are directly at fault for the same inaction.”

And now they are saying this Giveaway of the American Heartland to Russia was Bush’s Fault.

That’s a bunch of BS as George Bush would never have gone along with a plot to cede the American Heartland to the “former” USSR.


13 posted on 04/16/2012 10:10:52 AM PDT by Uncle Slayton
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To: Mr Apple

Here we go again........This first got its start back when, 2002?


14 posted on 04/16/2012 10:12:54 AM PDT by Hot Tabasco (Would I like to be young again? No, I worked too hard to get here, I don't want to do it again)
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To: Mr Apple

He’s going for all the freezer money before he’s kicked out of offce?.


15 posted on 04/16/2012 10:17:13 AM PDT by Vaduz
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To: Mr Apple; Logical me
1) The islands are not and never were part of Alaska, they were not included in the purchase of Alaska.

2) The U.S. has never actually claimed the islands. Russia claimed the islands back under the Tzars.

3) The treaty on the maritime border was negotiated in 1990 and ratified by the Senate and signed by President Bush in 1991.

A map of the islands:

This story (including variations) has been posted on Free Republic about 10 times in the last 3 months. It is hardly breaking news.

16 posted on 04/16/2012 10:17:44 AM PDT by Cheburashka (It's legal to be out at night in spacesuits, even carrying a rag dolly. Cops hauled us in anyway.)
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To: Michael.SF.

Right, I did the same all the islands look like they are closer to Russia than Alaska.


17 posted on 04/16/2012 10:18:12 AM PDT by 3rdcoastislander
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To: Michael.SF.

I’m not agreeing nor disagreeing with you — just wondering why you’d rely on factcheck.org for “facts.”


18 posted on 04/16/2012 10:18:52 AM PDT by getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL (chirping birds + basket weavers who sit + smile + twiddle their thumbs + toes They're coming to take)
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To: CharlesWayneCT
"...discussed multiple times since February"

I have to apologize for this duplicate posting, but I did do a Search here a few minutes ago -under various Search topics but nothing came up. By posting this piece again perhaps socialist democrat Obama and Clinton will get the word and Stop this outrageous giveaway. Btw, I don't understand why previous posters here gave the green light to this giveaway? Maybe some new issues have come to light since Miller's latest publishing (and Author’s addendum, Feb. 17, 2012 )of this article was just two months ago on 2/16/12

19 posted on 04/16/2012 10:20:45 AM PDT by Mr Apple
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To: Mr Apple
Wrangell Island was occupied by the Soviets in 1924. Mark Seidenberg, who was once active in the Young Americans for Freedom and remains active in conservative causes, has long been crusading to get the US to reassert its claim to the island. Read more here.
20 posted on 04/16/2012 10:22:16 AM PDT by Fiji Hill (Deo Vindice!)
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To: CharlesWayneCT; All

“If you look at the islands in question, it will become clear why we agreed that they should be Russian, and why so few people are worked up over this.”

Not this crap, yet again...

State has NEVER had a claim on these islands, they are far closer to Russia, than to Alaska, and the largest has been the home of of a Russian colony since the 1910’s, as well as a Soviet Early Warning Radar Station, and an Interceptor Air Base until the late 80’s.


21 posted on 04/16/2012 10:25:33 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Election 2012: THE RAPTURE OF THE DEMOCRATS)
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To: Hot Tabasco

Jimma Cotta gave away the Panama Canal, your bozo POS r-sident has to follow suit to some how make friends with China as a double down deal.

FUBO!


22 posted on 04/16/2012 10:32:27 AM PDT by tiger63
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To: Michael.SF.
I believe that more discussion of this has merit if this giveaway can be legally stopped by socialist Obama. If this posting has no merit and can not help this situation, then I suppose this posting should just be deleted, however, I don't think it is burdensome on fr bandwidth for simple discussion.

Excerpt:

[Carl] Olson believes that the United States has lost three groups of islands: one off the coast of Alaska, one in the central Pacific, and one in the Caribbean. He asserts that some of the lost Alaskan islands -- there are eight in all, including Wrangel Island, which he describes as being "the size of Delaware and Rhode Island combined" -- were acquired from Russia in the 1867 Alaska Purchase and that the rest were claimed for the United States upon their discovery, by various explorers, in 1881. Today, though, they are all claimed by Russia -- something that is not contested by the United States. This bothers Olson. A lot. He filed several inquiries with the State Department and never, he says, received a satisfactory response.

23 posted on 04/16/2012 10:36:55 AM PDT by Mr Apple
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To: null and void

> That’s all he can do for now.

> After the election he’ll have more flexibility....

That’s when he’ll be able to give away the whole state of Alaska.


24 posted on 04/16/2012 10:37:35 AM PDT by BuffaloJack (End Obama's War On Freedom.)
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To: Mr Apple

The one bright side to this us that the US would probably never authorize the exploitation of the oil fields up there. Or if we did the process for getting approval to do so would be so time consuming and burdensome that it would never be practical.

The Russians operate under no such constraints or limitations. If we can’t get that oil out at least someone will, and getting it onto the world market will offset demand and lower, or at least slow, energy related price increases. And it’ll be done by the fairly pragmatic Russians (who need the revenue stream) rather than Middle Eastern theocrats or Central American ideologues.


25 posted on 04/16/2012 10:49:37 AM PDT by tanknetter
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To: Mr Apple

Would not the original treaty of sale, in 1867, have clearly defined the boundaries?


26 posted on 04/16/2012 10:52:01 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Queeg Olbermann: Ahh, but the strawberries that's... that's where I had them.)
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To: Mr Apple

Might as well claim that region between Alaska and the Lower 49. (Formerly known as “Canada”.)


27 posted on 04/16/2012 12:24:56 PM PDT by Moltke (Always retaliate first.)
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To: tanknetter
The Russians operate under no such constraints or limitations.

And with little regard for the environment, unlike American oil companies. The current will carry their spills toward the rest of Alaska and the Pacific Northwest (US and Canada).

Then the Communist Ecowhackos here will blame it on our oil industry.

28 posted on 04/16/2012 12:32:16 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
Would not the original treaty of sale, in 1867, have clearly defined the boundaries?

It did, very clearly. The islands are in Russia.

29 posted on 04/16/2012 1:33:43 PM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Smokin' Joe

This is a fake issue Joe. Those islands have never been part of the US.

On to real stuff, WTI is going to start getting a little more competitive with this:

http://fuelfix.com/blog/2012/04/16/537913/

Enbridge Inc. and Enterprise Products Partners LP plan to start crude oil shipments on the Seaway pipeline from Cushing, Oklahoma, to the U.S. Gulf Coast on about May 17, according to a filing with regulators.

...

The shipping duration will be reduced to about five days after the line’s capacity is boosted to about 400,000 barrels early next year...

Uncommitted rates will be $3.82 a barrel for light crude and $4.32 for heavy crude...

Five-year committed agreements to ship light oil in volumes less than 100,000 barrels a day will cost between $2.75 and $3 a barrel. Ten-year agreements for the same grade of oil and the same volume will cost between $2.50 and $2.75...


30 posted on 04/16/2012 1:37:08 PM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL
I stated no opinion on the issue. I took exception to this comment:

I can not find a direct link to this Miller piece, but I am sure the facts presented here are correct.

A simple google search produced numerous stories on the issue, which caused me to believe there is far more to the story then what was presented here.

31 posted on 04/16/2012 2:43:16 PM PDT by Michael.SF. (When you hear hooves, think horses, not zebras.)
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To: loveliberty2

If you do your own search, you may not find anything Sarah Palin has said about the subject. If not, that should tell you all you need to know about the island issue.


32 posted on 04/16/2012 4:59:30 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: thackney

If you read the article, the treaty of 1867 did not address these islands. Some were later discovered and “claimed” by an American afterwards. The U.S. has never officially asserted a claim to them. Clearly, any U.S. claim would be outside of the 1867 sale of Alaska. Certainly the Alaska legislation cannot have any say, since the Constitution leaves foreign relations to the Federal Government, and the land in question was never part of Alaska. In this case, I agree with the Russians and the State Department.


33 posted on 04/17/2012 3:35:15 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Queeg Olbermann: Ahh, but the strawberries that's... that's where I had them.)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
If you read the article, the treaty of 1867 did not address these islands.

One the islands, Copper Island, is directly mentioned by name as the border was placed between it and Attu. Copper was on the Russian side.

The treaty does not list every island in the area, but uses some islands and some of the mainland to determine where the dividing line was drawn. All of those islands reside on the Russian side of the border.

Read the following description of the Western border from the 1867 treaty and tell me how any of those islands west of the border actually belong to the US:

The western limit within which the territories and dominion conveyed, are contained, passes through a point in Behring's straits on the parallel of sixty-five degrees thirty minutes north latitude, at its intersection by the meridian which passes midway between the islands of Krusenstern, or Inaglook, and the island of Ratmanoff, or Noonarbook, and proceeds due north, without limitation, into the same Frozen ocean. The same western limit, beginning at the same initial point, proceeds thence in a course nearly southwest through Behring's straits and Behring's sea, so as to pass midway between the northwest point of the island of St. Lawrence and the southeast point of Cape Choukotski, to the meridian of one hundred and seventy-two west longitude; thence, from the intersection of that meridian, in a southwesterly direction, so as to pass midway between the island of Attou and the Copper island of the Kormandorski couplet or group in the North Pacific ocean, to the meridian of one hundred and ninety-three degrees west longitude, so as to include in the territory conveyed the whole of the Aleutian islands east of that meridian.

34 posted on 04/17/2012 4:52:26 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney

Thanks for clearing that up ;)


35 posted on 04/17/2012 5:39:15 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Queeg Olbermann: Ahh, but the strawberries that's... that's where I had them.)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

Sorry, only the first sentence was intended a direct response to you. The remainder was intended as general info to the thread readers and should have been shown in separate post.

Cheers.


36 posted on 04/17/2012 5:43:16 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney

I am still sincerely grateful. Your response was clearer, more informative and more detailed than the original article.


37 posted on 04/17/2012 5:55:47 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Queeg Olbermann: Ahh, but the strawberries that's... that's where I had them.)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
That is because the original article was intended to deceive.

Obama has made many, many real mistakes. Accusing him of false items only makes us look like fools. It makes the real problems doubtful when combined with stuff like this.

I would not be surprised to learn that some of them are written by his supporters, trying to draw in gullible conservatives.

38 posted on 04/17/2012 6:00:58 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To be clear, I don’t consider Joe Miller an Obama supporter.

I was very surprised when I first learned of this article. I suspect someone he trusted was fooled by this an encouraged him to write it, without doing any real research. But I am only guess.

My fear is he has recognized the fund raising ability of accusing Obama of this junk and is willing to deceive gullible supporters. I have nothing to base that upon, only a worse case scenario.

As his article concludes at the end, Obama has done the exact same thing as President Bush did on this issue, that is nothing. The maritime agreement negotiated by the U.S. State Department and Russia only confirmed the original 1867 treaty as the border still today. The dispute of the islands only exist in the minds of a few, and not with either government.


39 posted on 04/17/2012 6:12:36 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Mr Apple

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40 posted on 04/17/2012 6:40:17 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass (the DNC/RNC = D.C. Establishment...an Brazilian saying: $AME OLD $H!T, W!TH D!FFERENT FL!E$. :^)
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